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« on: October 13, 2016, 08:48:04 PM »

Good for him. He's even willing to pony up the $1000 faithless elector penalty they have in that state.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/washington-elector-hillary-clinton-rejection-229647
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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2016, 08:55:12 PM »

Kick him off the elector list, along with every other faithless elector.
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2016, 08:55:51 PM »

This was a terrible idea when Republican electors were threatening to ditch Trump and it's a terrible idea now. More evidence, as if we needed it, that the electoral college needs to be scrapped immediately.
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2016, 08:56:19 PM »

Guy's an idiot willing to hand the country over to an actual fascist.

Deplorable.
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2016, 09:02:27 PM »
« Edited: October 13, 2016, 09:07:03 PM by Ronnie »

So, I guess we have to call it the "271 EV freiwal" from now on, at least until someone else steps forward.  Otherwise, I don't see how it might impact the actual result of the election.

This was a terrible idea when Republican electors were threatening to ditch Trump and it's a terrible idea now. More evidence, as if we needed it, that the electoral college needs to be scrapped immediately.

Or we could amend the constitution to bind electors to their state's result.  No need to throw out the baby with the bath water.
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2016, 09:04:59 PM »

So, I guess we have to call it the "271 EV freiwal" from now on, at least until someone else steps forward.  Otherwise, I don't see how it might impact the actual result of the election.

Well is this an outlier or the pebble that starts an avalanche.  If you want to get rid of the EC, well a slew of faithless electors will bring that issue to bear.
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2016, 09:05:52 PM »

The Hillary haters are going to lose their minds when she brings this home. I can't wait until November 9th.
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2016, 09:17:52 PM »

So, I guess we have to call it the "271 EV freiwal" from now on, at least until someone else steps forward.  Otherwise, I don't see how it might impact the actual result of the election.

This was a terrible idea when Republican electors were threatening to ditch Trump and it's a terrible idea now. More evidence, as if we needed it, that the electoral college needs to be scrapped immediately.

Or we could amend the constitution to bind electors to their state's result.  No need to throw out the baby with the bath water.

At that point, you're eliminating one of the last remaining purposes of the EC.
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2016, 10:11:03 PM »

Maybe he'll vote for John Ewards.
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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2016, 10:29:37 PM »

He has every right not to vote for Hillary on November 8th. When he casts his vote as an elector, though, maybe.... just maybe he should actually represent the voters of Washington.
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2016, 10:55:04 PM »

I know the GA faithless elector was removed from the position.  But was the TX faithless elector ever removed?  Clinton is running a tight campaign, so I'm pretty sure the party will come down hard on this one and he'll be removed from the position.

Again; if you're planning on this, why let anyone know beforehand?  That's a good way to lose your position as an elector.  If you want to do it, then do it silently and claim responsibility afterwards.

Is there a deadline to replace electors though?
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2016, 11:03:26 PM »

I am hoping that there will be enough Faithless Electors to throw the election into the House of Representatives.

Hillary is disgusting.

Trump is . . . I don't have words for it.

America deserves better.  Only the EC and Congress have a chance of bringing this about.
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2016, 11:06:30 PM »

Okay, fine. I really don't have a problem with this. It's the whole point of the electoral college - if the masses select a candidate that the electors collectively believe is fundamentally unfit for the presidency, they can and should reject that candidate. The founders never intended to trust the masses with the selection of the president, only that any such vote they conducted would be a non-binding recommendation to the electors. The current partisan operation that exists in the selection of the electors really needs to be reformed.

And to those wanting evidence that the masses cannot be trusted, look no farther than the fact that a literal fascist got the republican nomination and a socialist came within a couple points of having the most state wins in the democratic primary.
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2016, 11:06:33 PM »

Guy's an idiot willing to hand the country over to an actual fascist.

Deplorable.

please continue to insult American Indian community leaders for not supporting your candidate with your garbageposts.
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2016, 11:10:26 PM »

There's quite a difference between one person making a decision to not vote for Clinton in the ballot box on their own - Quite frankly in a state like Washington I don't care if he writes in Bernie Sanders or whatever his choice might be. But he's going to be sent to the electoral college - he should respect what the voters of his state says or resign.

More proof the electoral college is garbage.
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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2016, 11:14:54 PM »

There's quite a difference between one person making a decision to not vote for Clinton in the ballot box on their own - Quite frankly in a state like Washington I don't care if he writes in Bernie Sanders or whatever his choice might be. But he's going to be sent to the electoral college - he should respect what the voters of his state says or resign.

More proof the electoral college is garbage.

If we don't allow electors to vote their conscience, then there is no point to the electoral college - every other argument for it has an obvious counterargument.
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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2016, 11:16:22 PM »

There's quite a difference between one person making a decision to not vote for Clinton in the ballot box on their own - Quite frankly in a state like Washington I don't care if he writes in Bernie Sanders or whatever his choice might be. But he's going to be sent to the electoral college - he should respect what the voters of his state says or resign.

More proof the electoral college is garbage.

If we don't allow electors to vote their conscience, then there is no point to the electoral college - every other argument for it has an obvious counterargument.

This is of course the position of every nonidiot.
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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2016, 11:16:42 PM »

There's quite a difference between one person making a decision to not vote for Clinton in the ballot box on their own - Quite frankly in a state like Washington I don't care if he writes in Bernie Sanders or whatever his choice might be. But he's going to be sent to the electoral college - he should respect what the voters of his state says or resign.

More proof the electoral college is garbage.

If we don't allow electors to vote their conscience, then there is no point to the electoral college - every other argument for it has an obvious counterargument.

there is no point to the electoral college.
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« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2016, 11:19:43 PM »

^ Then tell me, why is no one in congress trying to abolish it?
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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2016, 11:25:41 PM »

^ Then tell me, why is no one in congress trying to abolish it?

because there are few if any in congress who give a damn want regular voters want. plus it's in general not an especially high priority thing compared to other things (because electoral reform is generally not cared about until near election day). Abandoning the electoral college requires a long time campaign and a lot lot lot of money because that's all that congress will listen to.

I think those should be obvious.

Besides, Republicans will oppose it as long as they get to wave a flag above their heads and pretend to care about the constitution (where any change to the electoral college would obviously come from a constitutional amendment).
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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2016, 11:37:34 PM »

There's quite a difference between one person making a decision to not vote for Clinton in the ballot box on their own - Quite frankly in a state like Washington I don't care if he writes in Bernie Sanders or whatever his choice might be. But he's going to be sent to the electoral college - he should respect what the voters of his state says or resign.

More proof the electoral college is garbage.

If we don't allow electors to vote their conscience, then there is no point to the electoral college - every other argument for it has an obvious counterargument.

there is no point to the electoral college.

It gives small states outsize influence on the process of electing the President, and gives populous  swing states greatly outsize influence.

You may disagree with the results, but it absolutely has an effect.
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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2016, 11:47:18 PM »

There's quite a difference between one person making a decision to not vote for Clinton in the ballot box on their own - Quite frankly in a state like Washington I don't care if he writes in Bernie Sanders or whatever his choice might be. But he's going to be sent to the electoral college - he should respect what the voters of his state says or resign.

More proof the electoral college is garbage.

If we don't allow electors to vote their conscience, then there is no point to the electoral college - every other argument for it has an obvious counterargument.

there is no point to the electoral college.

It gives small states outsize influence on the process of electing the President, and gives populous  swing states greatly outsize influence.

You may disagree with the results, but it absolutely has an effect.

I think you misread my post - I'm not saying no point as in the electoral college has no effect. I meant no point as in there is no concrete reason for there to be an electoral college in the year of our lord 2016.
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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2016, 11:50:49 PM »

There's quite a difference between one person making a decision to not vote for Clinton in the ballot box on their own - Quite frankly in a state like Washington I don't care if he writes in Bernie Sanders or whatever his choice might be. But he's going to be sent to the electoral college - he should respect what the voters of his state says or resign.

More proof the electoral college is garbage.

If we don't allow electors to vote their conscience, then there is no point to the electoral college - every other argument for it has an obvious counterargument.

there is no point to the electoral college.

It gives small states outsize influence on the process of electing the President, and gives populous  swing states greatly outsize influence.

You may disagree with the results, but it absolutely has an effect.

I think you misread my post - I'm not saying no point as in the electoral college has no effect. I meant no point as in there is no concrete reason for there to be an electoral college in the year of our lord 2016.

I literally lol'd. Nice XD.
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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2016, 11:57:07 PM »

There's quite a difference between one person making a decision to not vote for Clinton in the ballot box on their own - Quite frankly in a state like Washington I don't care if he writes in Bernie Sanders or whatever his choice might be. But he's going to be sent to the electoral college - he should respect what the voters of his state says or resign.

More proof the electoral college is garbage.

If we don't allow electors to vote their conscience, then there is no point to the electoral college - every other argument for it has an obvious counterargument.

there is no point to the electoral college.

It gives small states outsize influence on the process of electing the President.


In theory, it does this, but in reality, it really doesn't. If small states really had so much influence, then we'd see candidates spending time in them, right? Instead, while one gets attention - NH - others only get attention once in while - ME/NE/MT/ND - And the rest -  WY/SD/DC/ID/WV/VT/RI/DE/NM - get left for dead. The electoral college doesn't make candidates listen to small states. It doesn't make them listen to big states either - TX/NY/CA generally get left for dead as well. What it does is make candidates listen to a small number of very close states at the expense of everyone else, because the margin does not matter, only the winner.
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« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2016, 11:58:29 PM »

There's quite a difference between one person making a decision to not vote for Clinton in the ballot box on their own - Quite frankly in a state like Washington I don't care if he writes in Bernie Sanders or whatever his choice might be. But he's going to be sent to the electoral college - he should respect what the voters of his state says or resign.

More proof the electoral college is garbage.

If we don't allow electors to vote their conscience, then there is no point to the electoral college - every other argument for it has an obvious counterargument.

there is no point to the electoral college.

It gives small states outsize influence on the process of electing the President, and gives populous  swing states greatly outsize influence.

You may disagree with the results, but it absolutely has an effect.

I think you misread my post - I'm not saying no point as in the electoral college has no effect. I meant no point as in there is no concrete reason for there to be an electoral college in the year of our lord 2016.

amen. a completely useless. and political anachronism.
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