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« on: October 14, 2016, 03:35:03 PM »




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http://www.euronews.com/2016/10/14/wallonia-says-no-to-ceta

'Germans' with 'French'!

Obv, the brilliant France's administration tries to screw it up before the signing date, October 27.
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2016, 03:36:39 PM »

Joke country.
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2016, 04:09:08 PM »

Woah, was looking at polls in Belgium; and the Marxists have rocketed in the polls. Crazy, I wonder if they've moderated recently. (sad if they end the hilarious reign of PS).
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2016, 04:11:01 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2016, 09:57:39 PM »

SAD!
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2016, 05:35:06 AM »


Well, it would apply to any federal state then, cause what happens is 'nothing' but the decision of a state/regional parliament.
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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2016, 06:20:27 AM »

Well, it would apply to any federal state then, cause what happens is 'nothing' but the decision of a state/regional parliament.
Joke region in a joke country would have been a more accurate description, yes.
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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2016, 10:10:16 AM »

Lol at that hate. Good job Wallonia.
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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2016, 12:36:01 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2016, 01:01:11 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2016, 11:18:40 AM »

Terrible.
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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2016, 01:16:02 PM »

Disgusting Belgians: https://twitter.com/dreynders/status/788435383453360128

Boycott waffles! Or whatever. Didn't we liberate you guys in World War 2?
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2016, 01:41:29 PM »

Tragic. Only gives further ammunition to the Brexiteers. The problem with the EU is that it needs less democracy to stop this sort of stupidity but more democracy to satisfy voters.
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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2016, 01:41:57 PM »

Disgusting Belgians: https://twitter.com/dreynders/status/788435383453360128

Boycott waffles! Or whatever. Didn't we liberate you guys in World War 2?

Hmm, apparently his account was hacked.
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2016, 01:52:22 PM »

It's 2016 though Sad

Tragic. Only gives further ammunition to the Brexiteers. The problem with the EU is that it needs less democracy to stop this sort of stupidity but more democracy to satisfy voters.

Thats an ... Interesting interpretation
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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2016, 03:09:48 PM »
« Edited: December 11, 2022, 12:37:33 PM by Zinneke »

A few points to keep in mind before some people believe they can recycle the same old stereotypes about certain parties and regions :

 - Brussels, a socialist-cdh(-fdf) region, voted in favour of CETA. So clearly there is no party line. My intuition is that it is the agrarian lobby in the Walloon parliament that have asked Paul Magnette - who is as pro-Europe, pro-trade as they come given his publications as an academic - to ensure their subsidies are maintained in negotiations. The agrarian lobby is strong with the junior Cdh coalition partner, not the PS that just wraps up the industrial cities and towns.
 
 - It was the Flemish nationalists in CD&V and Open Vld who decided to devolve trade to the regions, when the Walloons, Brusselaren and most sane constitutionalists in Flanders thought it made no sense given we do (or should do) all this through the EU anyway. Most have predicted that this type of situation would arrive, Guy verhofstadt being a notable example, but was ignored.

 - It is a well known political trend that when parties of both sides of the spectrum are in some form of government, the extremes tend to do well. As it stands the PS are in government in Wallonia, and their MR rivals have propped up a right-wing government on the federal level. As a result, yes, the communists are high in the polls and are putting pressure on the Walloon PS. But there are structural explanations for this relating to Wallonia's history, being one of the poorest regions in Western Europe, and the PS-MR being in a weird relationship of both being in government yet opposed to each other.

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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2016, 05:48:31 AM »
« Edited: October 19, 2016, 05:53:42 AM by Simfan34 »

It's 2016 though Sad

Tragic. Only gives further ammunition to the Brexiteers. The problem with the EU is that it needs less democracy to stop this sort of stupidity but more democracy to satisfy voters.

Thats an ... Interesting interpretation

Yes. The EU needs more trade deals but fewer alienating mandates passed down by civil servants. This is essentially contradictory. Seriously, though, what is the point of the Common Market if you cannot have free trade with anyone else? Canada is as uncontroversial a market as you can possibly get. This essentially imposes a zero-sum choice on its members: "you can either have free trade exclusively within the Common Market or free trade exclusively outside of it".
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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2016, 08:09:36 AM »

http://www.rtbf.be/info/belgique/detail_ceta-il-faut-savoir-si-une-region-souhaite-que-la-belgique-s-isole-completement?id=9434233

So, apparently after the meeting the Minister-President of Wallonia, things have been settled and it looks like its going through. Im wondering how the Treaty has been changed to accomodate the agricultural lobby's demands, if at all.

I hope these free trade deals are rethought in future. It just supplements an ordro-liberal, or institutional liberal system that favours the lawyer-class (i.e the politicians too, who all seem to have law degrees these days) rather than the petit bourgeois class. I mean, already most of EU trade law is only applicable in cross-border situations, and while some progressive lawyers try to extend the defenition as much as they can, it seems the only people who benefit from the trade rights are the cross-border. The same will happen with the CETA legislation.

But small business owners and independents will continue to vote for MR, so you reap what you sow I guess.
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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2016, 11:33:01 AM »

There is probably also gonna be some last minute small concessions to Romania and Bulgaria on visafree access.

http://www.romaniajournal.ro/update-romania-will-not-sign-the-eu-canada-trade-agreement/
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« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2016, 11:51:45 AM »

Only gives further ammunition to the Brexiteers.

No, what gives them amos is the fact that an over big institution kinda coming out of nowhere don't give a f**k about the notion of democracy itself, just like everybody 'upthere' panicking and trying to twist the arm of those cute Walloons of which the rooster remains more relevant the French one though.

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Seriously though the first point of the Common Market is the Common Market, and nothing prevents trade abroad for most of it, and the point of what's going on with all those transatlantic treaties for most of it too 'only' is not to have fully insane free trade.

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Well, by American standards maybe.
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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2016, 07:26:47 AM »

They keep it up!

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37725942

And amusing how the so called The Economist manages to make the point against his point:

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21709060-tiny-region-belgium-opposes-trade-reasons-are-hard-understand-wallonia

In one way or an other, no matter what u support it just shows how the so called EU is f**ked up at functionning.
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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2016, 07:55:45 AM »

Jfc. How stupid are the people of Wallonia? Flanders pls leave.
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« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2016, 08:04:39 AM »

Brits should shudder.
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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2016, 08:05:58 AM »

Great people of Wallonia Curly
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« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2016, 09:56:17 AM »

Amazing debate here guys.

"Yay Wallonia"
"Stupid Wallonia"

You wonder why there was never a debate over bilateral trade deal before...
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