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« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2016, 02:36:08 PM »

I used to oppose any immigration reform

I used to oppose gay marriage

I used to opposed legalizing pot and ending the war on drugs

I used to support unlimited free trade
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« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2016, 04:29:30 PM »

Abhor is a strong word.  I can't think of anything that I ever abhorred that I now support.

This. There are a few issues I shifted on, but going from abhorrence to actual embrace is a bit of a stretch.

     I've had a hard time here for about the same reason. My priorities have shifted somewhat, but I haven't really changed that hard on anything since I became an adult. I only chose borders because I used to consider open borders a moral imperative and now I recognize that there are practical reasons for controlling who can enter the country.
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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2016, 11:59:00 PM »

Well, I am beginning to support gay marriage

Also, abhor is a strong word
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« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2016, 12:08:00 AM »

Affirmative action. I now realize that I totally didn't get it.
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« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2016, 11:12:50 AM »

Affirmative action. I now realize that I totally didn't get it.

This is another one for me.
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« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2016, 11:21:05 AM »

None that I can recall.
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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2016, 01:50:26 PM »

The idea that men and women might have different contributions to society and that there are some contexts where they should be treated differently.

That addressing economic inequality as such (and not just poverty in absolute terms) is a legitimate object of public policy.

Protectionism. I'm still mostly a free trader, but I now think there are legitimate reasons for a country to favor domestic industry in some circumstances.

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« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2016, 01:52:26 PM »

That addressing economic inequality as such (and not just poverty in absolute terms) is a legitimate object of public policy.

Really glad to hear you've come round on this!
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« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2016, 02:13:10 PM »
« Edited: October 23, 2016, 02:15:25 PM by PR »

 - That free trade and economic globalization are overall, very good things

- That capitalism, despite everything, is still better than other economic systems

- That Western environmentalism often does more harm than good in regard to the developing world

- That foreign policy is a hell of a lot more complicated in practice than what liberalism/idealism has to say on the matter

- That Israel, for all of its policies and actions of which I am seriously disturbed by, is still worth defending from the pervasive anti-Semitism that is still very much a thing in the current year - whether it comes from the Western Right, the Western Left, or the "Islamic world" (if such a ridiculously broad term is even applicable)

- That anti-intellectualism - while still abhorrent and deeply unfortunate - is perfectly understandable from ordinary people when they recognize (and they do recognize) that elite intellectuals (and the economic and political elites whom they support) don't actually give a sh*t about them except as a source of "legitimacy" or whatever

- That irrational and contradictory views are not only unavoidable, but an essential part of what it means to be a living, breathing, subjective human being with these things called feelings, beliefs, emotions, and values

- And finally, that people who fancy themselves as "intellectual" or "rational" are almost inevitably the worst offenders in terms of rationalizing and dressing up in the veil of "respectability" their blind, arrogant hubris and worldviews - which are every bit as irrational as anyone's. And I'm as guilty as anyone in this regard, though I guess I recognize it in myself, so that's a start! Tongue
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« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2016, 02:16:13 PM »
« Edited: October 23, 2016, 02:18:38 PM by Devout Centrist »

-Abortion, at any stage
-Marijuana legalization
-Seperation of Church and State
-Free Trade
-Evolution
-Transgender Rights
-Atheism
-Premarital Sex
-Pornography
-Negative Income Tax
-Universal Healthcare
-Secularism
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« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2016, 02:26:08 PM »

- That free trade and economic globalization are overall, very good things

- That capitalism, despite everything, is still better than other economic systems

- That Western environmentalism often does more harm than good in regard to the developing world

- That foreign policy is a hell of a lot more complicated in practice than what liberalism/idealism has to say on the matter

- That Israel, for all of its policies and actions of which I am seriously disturbed by, is still worth defending from the pervasive anti-Semitism that is still very much a thing in the current year - whether it comes from the Western Right, the Western Left, or the "Islamic world" (if such a ridiculously broad term is even applicable)

- That anti-intellectualism - while still abhorrent and deeply unfortunate - is perfectly understandable from ordinary people when they recognize (and they do recognize) that elite intellectuals (and the economic and political elites whom they support) don't actually give a sh*t about them except as a source of "legitimacy" or whatever

- That irrational and contradictory views are not only unavoidable, but an essential part of what it means to be a living, breathing, subjective human being with these things called feelings, beliefs, emotions, and values

- And finally, that people who fancy themselves as "intellectual" or "rational" are almost inevitably the worst offenders in terms of rationalizing and dressing up in the veil of "respectability" their blind, arrogant hubris and worldviews - which are every bit as irrational as anyone's. And I'm as guilty as anyone in this regard, though I guess I recognize it in myself, so that's a start! Tongue

In spite of everything I still don't really agree on the first two, but towards the end this is one of the best posts I've seen on the forum in a long time.

-Abortion, at any stage
-Marijuana legalization
-Seperation of Church and State
-Free Trade
-Evolution
-Transgender Rights
-Atheism
-Premarital Sex
-Pornography
-Negative Income Tax
-Universal Healthcare
-Secularism

Several of these are very good things, but the list as a whole reads like something out of that one Walker Percy novel.
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« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2016, 03:18:11 PM »
« Edited: October 23, 2016, 03:19:44 PM by shua »

- That irrational and contradictory views are not only unavoidable, but an essential part of what it means to be a living, breathing, subjective human being with these things called feelings, beliefs, emotions, and values

how true.

That addressing economic inequality as such (and not just poverty in absolute terms) is a legitimate object of public policy.

Really glad to hear you've come round on this!

I still don't like the way a lot of the rhetoric on this issue comes across to me as barely concealed envy, but I increasingly buy into the argument that widely dispersed economic power is necessary to the health of a free society.
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« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2016, 03:35:31 PM »


-Abortion, at any stage
-Marijuana legalization
-Seperation of Church and State
-Free Trade
-Evolution
-Transgender Rights
-Atheism
-Premarital Sex
-Pornography
-Negative Income Tax
-Universal Healthcare
-Secularism

Several of these are very good things, but the list as a whole reads like something out of that one Walker Percy novel.
I'm flattered by the comparison.
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