When feminists and liberal men disagree

[Associate Justice PiT]

No, I'm OK with feminist women (as well have men who have conclusively proven through their actions and everyday lives that they genuinely adhere to feminism) holding these views, even if I respectfully disagree with them.

This sounds almost religious... and I'm saying this as someone who opposes both prostutition and watching porn.

     Third-wave feminism holds an attitude towards men that can be best likened to original sin. That is, men are sinful and must be purgated of that sin. Those who have not gone through the process of recognizing and atoning for their wrongs are inherently wicked.

[Associate Justice PiT]

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This sounds almost religious... and I'm saying this as someone who opposes both prostutition and watching porn.
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     Third-wave feminism holds an attitude towards men that can be best likened to original sin. That is, men are sinful and must be purgated of that sin. Those who have not gone through the process of recognizing and atoning for their wrongs are inherently wicked.
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This is closer to certain beliefs of second wave feminism fwiw. Not that the third wave isn't capable of being groanworthy by itself.
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     Honestly, the second and third waves are a lot more similar than people give them credit for. It irks me just a little when people identify as "second wave feminists", to distinguish themselves from the icky "third wave feminists", because it romanticizes an ahistorical version of the second wave that ignores things like political lesbianism and the SCUM Manifesto while playing up modern problems.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Honestly, the second and third waves are a lot more similar than people give them credit for. It irks me just a little when people identify as "second wave feminists", to distinguish themselves from the icky "third wave feminists", because it romanticizes an ahistorical version of the second wave that ignores things like political lesbianism and the SCUM Manifesto while playing up modern problems.

The raps on the second and third waves are in many respects quite different. They don't need to be the same for both to have their flaws (for example, reductionist and often quasi-deterministic hyper-politicization of sexual decisions in the case of the second wave, politically-motivated decontextualization and often trivialization of sexual choices for the third). Conversely, one doesn't need to be either exactly like or utterly unlike the other for either or both to have good points (for example, embodied nature of some types of sexist oppression in the case of the second wave, essentially arbitrary nature of other types for the third).

     Thanks, things make a little more sense to me after reading that. I might tend to characterize the second wave as being more individualist, and my experiences with particular second wave feminists would tend to confirm that. With that said, I suspect that wasn't the thrust of their politicization of sexuality and it would probably be a mistake to conceive of the differences in those terms.

     In terms of the kinds of political thought I follow there is a mistake of conflating second wave feminism as a historical movement with the reactions of certain second wave feminists to third wave feminism and judging its merits based on the latter. People then speak in favor of second wave feminism based on stuff written in the 1990s, without thinking about what was was being said in the 1960s.

[Associate Justice PiT]

When feminists and liberal men disagree, this means liberal men are thinking with their dicks.

So people who think prostitution and porn are perfectly fine as long  as you're not engaging in abuse behavior are thinking with their dicks? How about liberal men who find it a little distasteful that these feminists are upset over little things like women's bodies in video games? Thinking with their dick?

Third wave feminism is all about talking about how everything in society is holding the woman down, blaming patriarchy and sexism for it, while ignoring issues that men suffer from more than women (education for example). Isn't feminism about equality between men and women, but when people bring up things like custody and how it actually hurts men more than women it either isn't talked about or dismissed as sexism.

If you disagree with Antonio, and the world woman/women/female/females is involved, you are thinking with your dick.  It's a matter of fact.

     And anyone who does not use Antonio's preferred term to identify their own views is THE WORST. Also a matter of fact.