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« on: October 17, 2016, 03:25:48 PM »

I don't want to make a thread to fearmonger about Trump supporters, but I am curious about how an attempt to install Trump as President by force might play out.

Unlike the Civil War, which broke down almost entirely along geographical lines and conflicts like the Syrian Civil War which are pretty much a free-for-all geographically, the US has a pretty staunch urban-rural divide even within strongly Democratic and strongly Republican states. If there was an attempt by Trump supporters to install him as President, it would have the disadvantage of being based in sparsely-populated areas which are generally much harder to organize than urban areas (see protests in Egypt vs. election results). Unless Trump wanted to do a Mao-style rural march, it would be very difficult to coordinate actions and gather large amounts of people in a single area.

On the other hand, Trump has consistently polled ahead of the other candidates among members of the military, his supporters are almost certainly more armed on average than Clinton supporters, and would control a vast area of resources and infrastructure. Pro-Trump forces could attempt a war of attrition, cutting off food supply and energy from the heartland to the coasts and major cities... if they were organized enough to pull something like that off.

Again, not to fearmonger, simply curious how people see something like that playing out.

Also, discuss with maps.
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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2016, 03:28:58 PM »

Assuming this isn't a joke and you really want to discuss it seriously...

Armed insurrection against the government?  Trump would be in prison or dead within the week.
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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2016, 03:31:54 PM »

Even though Trump does poll well with the military establishment I see next to none of them actually stand behind him if he tried to start an armed insurrection. I also don't see any state governments providing any support to a lost cause either.
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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2016, 03:43:53 PM »

I would bet more on the powers-that-be engineering another 9/11 event to galvanize the public to accept more Patriot Act-level fascism.
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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2016, 03:46:38 PM »

The worst we could see from Trump's refusal to accept the legitimacy of the election's results would be violent protests, threats, and assaults on minorities. A revolutionary uprising would require a pre-existing leadership, which simply doesn't exist. Trump could rally his deplorables from his penthouse in Trump Tower all he wants, but fewer than 1/4 would even show up with signs. He'd simply land himself in prison and lose all his power. Like 80% of his supporters, he won't do anything but whine.
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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2016, 05:36:59 PM »

It would be a very short one. Trump would cash the revolutionaries' checks, but the promised weapons and ammo would never arrive.

A bit more seriously, I'm very worried about random violence from the Trump cult, and about what horrible ends they would use the machinery of government for if they were in control. But organized revolution from them? Nah.

Any Trump-led uprising would crash and burn from the top, once Trump realizes he would have to leave his cushy gold plated toilets behind. Or more likely, he wouldn't leave them and Trump Tower would be stormed. In any case, Trump and his "staff" can barely run a camapign with the RNC carrying them across the finish line.

And a Trumpless revolution launched by his cult would be even more of a failure. These are people who don't want to suffer themselves AND who deny reality when they don't like it. Not exactly a recipe for revolution. And that's if they don't have a fight over who's in charge and which minority they should target first.

The Trump-cult has every chance to be an ongoing bloody wound to America.  But I do not see them being anything more without great changes to the movement.
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2016, 05:40:33 PM »

We would most likely see a bunch of lone wolf terrorists like the Kansas "Crusaders" rather than any organized efforts. I don't think terrorist attacks against the state are as likely as hate crimes against immigrants and minorities. And if they did get organized, tanks and aircraft would quickly neutralize any militias they could form, especially in rural areas where the government doesn't fear the risk of collateral damage.
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2016, 05:45:21 PM »

The US military would cap their behinds if Trumpkins tried to mount a revolt.
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2016, 06:05:01 PM »

Marines storming Trump Tower.
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2016, 06:10:37 PM »

None of you believe any of this nonsense.  There won't be so much as even one torn up Hillary yard sign after election day.

We actually had a candidate recently who did not accept the results of an election.  His name was Al Gore.  It even went all the way to the Supreme Court.  I suspect you all didn't wring your hands over that.
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2016, 06:14:39 PM »

None of you believe any of this nonsense.  There won't be so much as even one torn up Hillary yard sign after election day.

We actually had a candidate recently who did not accept the results of an election.  His name was Al Gore.  It even went all the way to the Supreme Court.  I suspect you all didn't wring your hands over that.

Al Gore gracefully conceded despite there being every possibility of his winning in case of a recount. Trump shouts rigging three weeks before the election
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2016, 06:44:20 PM »

None of you believe any of this nonsense.  There won't be so much as even one torn up Hillary yard sign after election day.

We actually had a candidate recently who did not accept the results of an election.  His name was Al Gore.  It even went all the way to the Supreme Court.  I suspect you all didn't wring your hands over that.

What are you talking about?  He conceded gracefully after the Supreme Court decision, in the interest of not tearing the nation apart.  I do hope you're not suggesting that he wasn't entitled to pursue legal challenges.
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2016, 07:55:01 PM »
« Edited: October 17, 2016, 07:56:50 PM by Fuzzy Bear »

There are some people here who hope this happens so they can show that they were right about Trump.

That's beyond sad.

For myself, I pray that God keep His Protective Hand on our Nation.  He's done it far more than any of us know, and He's still God.
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2016, 11:19:10 PM »

None of you believe any of this nonsense.  There won't be so much as even one torn up Hillary yard sign after election day.

We actually had a candidate recently who did not accept the results of an election.  His name was Al Gore.  It even went all the way to the Supreme Court.  I suspect you all didn't wring your hands over that.

Gore was not crying "rigged" before voting began, nor were his supporters threatening assassination if he lost. And while I believe there are supporters who will try to pull something, nothing would make me happier than being proven 100% wrong.
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2016, 10:34:32 AM »


Suddenly I pictured this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atks5rRqQkg

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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2016, 11:46:32 AM »


One of the greatest movies of all time.  They really spare no expense in making that movie.
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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2016, 12:52:46 PM »

- Trump loses
- Trump refuses to call Clinton
- Clinton team waits for Trump's call
- Clinton team told by GOP to hold out on speech - the call will come
- Paul Ryan, Mike Pence, Mitch McConnell, Reince Priebus all urge Trump to concede
- Trump refuses to concede, possibly doesn't take Ryan's call
- Clinton team in contact with GOP leaders, trying to avoid violent backlash if Trump refuses to concede
-GOP leaders push Trump kids to get their dad to concede
-Trump refuses
- Hour grows late, GOP leaders inc. Pence issue joint concession statement
- Clinton gives victory speech
- Trump lets everyone know during Clinton speech that he will give speech
- Trump comes out to crowd at HQ, calls election rigged, says it was stolen from him
- Violence erupts in a few spots in US
- By morning media is covering the riots in a few spots...Trump doubles down
- Local law enforcement handling riots fine
- Violence grows throughout day
- Obama calls for calm, says election was legit
- Trump, speaking off the cuff, gives the rioters his blessing
- White House asks media to stop giving Trump a microphone
- Local officials still handling it, White House mulls intervention
- Violence calms down by evening after Election Day
- Trump arrested later in the week for inciting riots
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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2016, 12:59:11 PM »

- Trump loses
- Trump refuses to call Clinton
- Clinton team waits for Trump's call
- Clinton team told by GOP to hold out on speech - the call will come
- Paul Ryan, Mike Pence, Mitch McConnell, Reince Priebus all urge Trump to concede
- Trump refuses to concede, possibly doesn't take Ryan's call
- Clinton team in contact with GOP leaders, trying to avoid violent backlash if Trump refuses to concede
-GOP leaders push Trump kids to get their dad to concede
-Trump refuses
- Hour grows late, GOP leaders inc. Pence issue joint concession statement
- Clinton gives victory speech
- Trump lets everyone know during Clinton speech that he will give speech
- Trump comes out to crowd at HQ, calls election rigged, says it was stolen from him
- Violence erupts in a few spots in US
- By morning media is covering the riots in a few spots...Trump doubles down
- Local law enforcement handling riots fine
- Violence grows throughout day
- Obama calls for calm, says election was legit
- Trump, speaking off the cuff, gives the rioters his blessing
- White House asks media to stop giving Trump a microphone
- Local officials still handling it, White House mulls intervention
- Violence calms down by evening after Election Day
- Trump arrested later in the week for inciting riots

Yeah, none of that is going to happen.
Repubs are not a bunch of radical agitators.  Think Howard Cunningham on Happy Days, not Malcolm X.
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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2016, 01:11:48 PM »

A majority of people from different backgrounds are required for a revolution not just the Deplorables. They probably just blame the Jew run media and the voter manipulation in the inner city (AKA the people formally known as the Blacks).
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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2016, 01:14:38 PM »

- Trump loses
- Trump refuses to call Clinton
- Clinton team waits for Trump's call
- Clinton team told by GOP to hold out on speech - the call will come
- Paul Ryan, Mike Pence, Mitch McConnell, Reince Priebus all urge Trump to concede
- Trump refuses to concede, possibly doesn't take Ryan's call
- Clinton team in contact with GOP leaders, trying to avoid violent backlash if Trump refuses to concede
-GOP leaders push Trump kids to get their dad to concede
-Trump refuses
- Hour grows late, GOP leaders inc. Pence issue joint concession statement
- Clinton gives victory speech
- Trump lets everyone know during Clinton speech that he will give speech
- Trump comes out to crowd at HQ, calls election rigged, says it was stolen from him
- Violence erupts in a few spots in US
- By morning media is covering the riots in a few spots...Trump doubles down
- Local law enforcement handling riots fine
- Violence grows throughout day
- Obama calls for calm, says election was legit
- Trump, speaking off the cuff, gives the rioters his blessing
- White House asks media to stop giving Trump a microphone
- Local officials still handling it, White House mulls intervention
- Violence calms down by evening after Election Day
- Trump arrested later in the week for inciting riots

Yeah, none of that is going to happen.
Repubs are not a bunch of radical agitators.  Think Howard Cunningham on Happy Days, not Malcolm X.

I always thought there was something a little suspicious about Mr. C.
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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2016, 01:47:47 PM »

- Trump loses
- Trump refuses to call Clinton
- Clinton team waits for Trump's call
- Clinton team told by GOP to hold out on speech - the call will come
- Paul Ryan, Mike Pence, Mitch McConnell, Reince Priebus all urge Trump to concede
- Trump refuses to concede, possibly doesn't take Ryan's call
- Clinton team in contact with GOP leaders, trying to avoid violent backlash if Trump refuses to concede
-GOP leaders push Trump kids to get their dad to concede
-Trump refuses
- Hour grows late, GOP leaders inc. Pence issue joint concession statement
- Clinton gives victory speech
- Trump lets everyone know during Clinton speech that he will give speech
- Trump comes out to crowd at HQ, calls election rigged, says it was stolen from him
- Violence erupts in a few spots in US
- By morning media is covering the riots in a few spots...Trump doubles down
- Local law enforcement handling riots fine
- Violence grows throughout day
- Obama calls for calm, says election was legit
- Trump, speaking off the cuff, gives the rioters his blessing
- White House asks media to stop giving Trump a microphone
- Local officials still handling it, White House mulls intervention
- Violence calms down by evening after Election Day
- Trump arrested later in the week for inciting riots

Yeah, none of that is going to happen.
Repubs are not a bunch of radical agitators.  Think Howard Cunningham on Happy Days, not Malcolm X.

I always thought there was something a little suspicious about Mr. C.

I don't think it will happen but the premise was that there is violence, right?
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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2016, 02:36:25 PM »

- Trump loses
- Trump refuses to call Clinton
- Clinton team waits for Trump's call
- Clinton team told by GOP to hold out on speech - the call will come
- Paul Ryan, Mike Pence, Mitch McConnell, Reince Priebus all urge Trump to concede
- Trump refuses to concede, possibly doesn't take Ryan's call
- Clinton team in contact with GOP leaders, trying to avoid violent backlash if Trump refuses to concede
-GOP leaders push Trump kids to get their dad to concede
-Trump refuses
- Hour grows late, GOP leaders inc. Pence issue joint concession statement
- Clinton gives victory speech
- Trump lets everyone know during Clinton speech that he will give speech
- Trump comes out to crowd at HQ, calls election rigged, says it was stolen from him
- Violence erupts in a few spots in US
- By morning media is covering the riots in a few spots...Trump doubles down
- Local law enforcement handling riots fine
- Violence grows throughout day
- Obama calls for calm, says election was legit
- Trump, speaking off the cuff, gives the rioters his blessing
- White House asks media to stop giving Trump a microphone
- Local officials still handling it, White House mulls intervention
- Violence calms down by evening after Election Day
- Trump arrested later in the week for inciting riots

Since these are white people, the media will refer to them as "demonstrations" and "protests."
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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2016, 03:15:47 PM »

Even if there is violence, I doubt it'll be riots, since even the most densely populated pro-Trump areas will likely be in suburbia. It seems more likely that violence would take the form of random lone-wolf attacks.
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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2016, 03:16:49 PM »

Even if there is violence, I doubt it'll be riots, since even the most densely populated pro-Trump areas will likely be in suburbia. It seems more likely that violence would take the form of random lone-wolf attacks.

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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2016, 09:24:40 PM »

No revolt at all. After Trump's election debacle he will emigrate to Slovenia, his wife's native land, where at its resorts he will treat ills inflicted by old age, such as gout, arthritis, hemorrhoids, etc.  His wife will run for Slovenia president and will be elected. Trump will enjoy his First Gentlmen position.
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