Would a Clinton victory irreversibly change america?

[Cashew]

Is this really the GOP's last chance? I don't think the hysteria over Obama was all that justified, But considering the desperation the republican base is showing, defending Trump in a way thought unbelievable in 2012, it seems they really believe a few liberal SCOTUS appointments will turn us into Brazil or Mexico.

[MasterJedi]

I don't see the party learning from its mistakes because it hasn't since 2008. Maybe by 2024 they'll wake up, or there will be a new party.

[Antonio the Sixth]

lolno

[Person Man]

All it really means is that most of their agenda will be nonstarter and watered down  for the next 20 years. That is where Democrats were between 1979 and 2009 with maybe the exception of 1993.

[TDAS04]

Um, no.

[Boston Bread]

Nonsense. Clinton will make SCOTUS great again.

[Hermit For Peace]

Yes. I would say that a Hillary win would irreversibly change many American females in a good way. It would be a huge self-esteem builder for many American women, you just can't imagine.

And add into the mix many American males who advocate for gender equality.

This is an historic election if/when Hillary wins. I don't think many people here realize the implications of a Hillary win. It will be the blooming and flowering and dawning of a new society.

I can't wait for the day.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

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Hopefully

[ag]

Clinton is pretty much a run-of-the-mill American politician from the Democratic party. I would not expect anything particularly interesting from her presidency. It will be very much a status quo thing.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     The country will be lost, and then found again at a later date. Potentially on Mars.

[Person Man]

Clinton is pretty much a run-of-the-mill American politician from the Democratic party. I would not expect anything particularly interesting from her presidency. It will be very much a status quo thing.

I can totally see Hillary being H.W. 2.0. Has to work with a hostile congress, gets a lot of FP cred, the economy sputters and she loses and then some sane Republican takes over and tries to implement something like national RTW or privatizes SS and loses congress without getting anything done but at least slows the liberalization of laws and mostly just runs on Obama old premise.  That's basically the most likely scenario. The best case, she is a Trumanesque candidate that really realigns the party to counter the Alt-right and helps us get back on good economic footing. The worst case, she is  Hoover 2.0.


If Trump somehow wins, he will most likely be the Anti-Carter by basically running on the exact opposite agenda but getting the same results.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

2008 was more of a regailing election. Hillary victory would just be a confirmation of such.

[DINGO Joe]

Yes, Middle-Aged White Men will go extinct after a Hillary victory.

[hopper]

I don't see the party learning from its mistakes because it hasn't since 2008. Maybe by 2024 they'll wake up, or there will be a new party.

Well maybe whenever Talk Radio wakes up! I'm sure the day after Trump loses in a rout they will be promoting Ted Cruz for 2020 because Talk Radio thinks that's what America wants is a very Hard-Core Conservative  for President and not a country-clubber like Romney, a populist like Trump, or a Moderate Conservative like McCain.

What mistakes from 2008? They lost the White House because of the Great Recession and Bush W. was unpopular in 2008. The Republicans losing in 2008 was like the Dems losing in 1980. The economy was horrible in 1980 and Carter wasn't popular on Election Day 1980.

[hopper]

2008 was more of a regailing election. Hillary victory would just be a confirmation of such.

Nah 1992 was the realigning election.

[Zarn]

This country hasn't changed between Bush and Obama... why would it change with Clinton? Rest assured, we are still heading for the same cliff like always.

[Mr. Smith]

Yes. But only because of her likelihood of her losing badly in 2020 to some Kasich-esque opponent after mediocre, gridlocked one term.

[Person Man]

2008 was more of a regailing election. Hillary victory would just be a confirmation of such.

Nah 1992 was the realigning election.

I guess you could make the argument that Bush v. Gore and 9/11 gave new life to the Conservative movement, allowing them to dominate Government for through one mid-term and one general (Something that hasn't happened since 1964/1966). However, the true swing against probably didn't happen until Obama. Clinton couldn't get anything passed except a modest tax hike on very high incomes. He simply slowed down what Reagan started but he changed the SCOTUS in a way that allowed a continued steady growth or at least affirmation of personal rights.

We didn't really see a major change of policy until Obama became president. I think that Hillary Clinton's presidency will simply affirm that Obama's reelection was a realignment and that we have moved from a base policy of trying to facilitate a Global Society to a base policy of trying to
make that Global Society a Great Society.

Heck, even if Trump wins by just squeaking ahead, it may mean a realignment. That realignment will simply be a way from a global society and simply towards of  preventing societal change in the face of technological change. In a world of Nuclear Weapons, that has been off the table but since they haven't been used in almost a whole lifetime...

[Torie]

No. Ah the dreams of the young.

[Enduro]

Any one moment in time can change the world forever. There will probably be several of these moments in 4 (maybe years.