Democrats only: do you agree with the DSCC yanking spending in Florida?

[Ogre Mage]

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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/dscc-no-florida-senate-race-funding-229938

[Virginiá]

I'm iffy on this. I really wish Clinton had gone hard at Rubio, even with her own resources, just to damage him or even completely remove him as a risk in 2020 to her or whoever runs.

However, this is really an all-or-nothing deal. It would have been very expensive and not a guaranteed win, especially if they couldn't turn Hispanics against him (and I'm not convinced they could have, especially considering that they didn't abandon him even after he stuck by Trump).

Either way, I'm sure the DSCC didn't make this decision lightly.

[Xing]

I can't claim to know what their internals show, but if Flawless Beautiful Marco hangs on by less than 3%, we'll know that they made the wrong choice.

[Fitzgerald]

I can see the logic, but I would have stuck with it until the end. Murphy is a pretty terrible candidate, but so is Rubio, so the situation really isn't comparable to Ohio.

[KingSweden]

Yes and no. Yes because it's obvious his advantages with Hispanics (including Puerto Ricans) in a state where Democrats need Hispanics to win statewide make him tough to beat, no because Flawless Beautiful Marco is somebody who worries me in 2020 and knocking him out now would be crucial for the future of the Democratic party.

Then again, I'm sure the DSCC and the PACs both know something we don't. It may be close, but the last 2-3% is too tough of a nut to crack to get Murphy over the hump when there are easier flips elsewhere (i.e. Kander in MO and Ross in NC)

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yes. We have limited resources and it makes no sense to spend so much on a lean-R race when there are as many as five States which could easily go all-Republican or all-Democrat.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Yes. We have limited resources and it makes no sense to spend so much on a lean-R race when there are as many as five States which could easily go all-Republican or all-Democrat.

[Mr. Smith]

Yes. We have limited resources and it makes no sense to spend so much on a lean-R race when there are as many as five States which could easily go all-Republican or all-Democrat.

[Orser67]

I would've redirected some of the resources, but I wouldn't have totally abandoned Murphy

[BuckeyeNut]

Yes. We have limited resources and it makes no sense to spend so much on a lean-R race when there are as many as five States which could easily go all-Republican or all-Democrat.

How much money are Harris and Sanchez gobbling up?

(No. No, I do not agree.)

[morgieb]

I think it's fair enough to mostly focus on New Hampshire/Pennsylvania/Missouri/Nevada/North Carolina, but not sure if I'd completely cut off Florida. That said, I dunno how much money had to be spent to knock off the remaining 2-3% required to beat Rubio in Florida without compromising one of the true toss-ups.

[syntaxerror]

Florida is an expensive market, so yes, from a triangulation perspective it was right.

But maybe some outside PACS or Clinton herself can pick up the slack and pull Murphy across the 2-3% needed.

[Figueira]

Yes, since it means more money for other races.

[Blackacre]

I voted no, but on second thought, probably yes because limited rescources.

Doesn't mean its not sad though

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Resources are being fecklessly thrown away in Arizona and whatever other states are not needed in the Presidential election. This should have been a top priority, and our party is stupid for not giving every cent needed here.

[Maxwell]

I suppose I see why (money can be allocated more effectively), but I don't like the message of letting one of the Republicans very vey conservative potential future contenders off the hook.

[Figueira]

I guess the bright side of this is that Murphy's career will be over.

[Blackacre]

I guess the bright side of this is that Murphy's career will be over.

Yeah, Murphy pissed away a winnable Senate seat by not agreeing to the debates and well, being Murphy. The FL-Dems need to get their act together if they want to win statewide. As it is, Im surprised they even got Nelson

[Mr. Smith]

I guess the bright side of this is that Murphy's career will be over.

Yeah, Murphy pissed away a winnable Senate seat by not agreeing to the debates and well, being Murphy. The FL-Dems need to get their act together if they want to win statewide. As it is, Im surprised they even got Nelson

They did, they just didn't expect Rubio to return.

Are you gonna blame IN-GOP as incompetent too because oh Bayh's return?

[Figueira]

I guess the bright side of this is that Murphy's career will be over.

Yeah, Murphy pissed away a winnable Senate seat by not agreeing to the debates and well, being Murphy. The FL-Dems need to get their act together if they want to win statewide. As it is, Im surprised they even got Nelson

They did, they just didn't expect Rubio to return.

Are you gonna blame IN-GOP as incompetent too because oh Bayh's return?

I don't blame the Dems for thinking Murphy was a good candidate. I blame Murphy for being a terrible candidate.

[136or142]

Latest poll has Murphy down by just 2%.  This decision is ridiculous.  Defeat of Rubio would be a symbolic victory in a number of ways although Murphy himself doesn't seem to be much, if any, better:

1.It would mark an end of the Tea Party.
2.It would mark an end of the supposed Republican Party Great Latino Hope.
3.It would be a defeat for shallow, mindless talking point politics perfectly embodied by the shallow, mindless Rubio.

Of course, it would also help win another Senate Seat.  I can understand the reluctance though: there are a number of other very close Senate races in much cheaper states. 

[Virginiá]

Latest poll has Murphy down by just 2%.  This decision is ridiculous.  Defeat of Rubio would be a symbolic victory in a number of ways although Murphy himself doesn't seem to be much, if any, better:

1.It would mark an end of the Tea Party.
2.It would mark an end of the supposed Republican Party Great Latino Hope.
3.It would be a defeat for shallow, mindless talking point politics perfectly embodied by the shallow, mindless Rubio.

One would have to assume they know things we don't. Perhaps Rubio's lead is bigger and more durable then public polls suggest. If Rubio was constantly performing so weakly in more accurate internal polls, it's hard to see them pulling out.

On the other hand, maybe his lead becomes smaller and he becomes more vulnerable after they pull(ed) out, in which case it makes their decision a huge blunder.

[136or142]

Latest poll has Murphy down by just 2%.  This decision is ridiculous.  Defeat of Rubio would be a symbolic victory in a number of ways although Murphy himself doesn't seem to be much, if any, better:

1.It would mark an end of the Tea Party.
2.It would mark an end of the supposed Republican Party Great Latino Hope.
3.It would be a defeat for shallow, mindless talking point politics perfectly embodied by the shallow, mindless Rubio.

One would have to assume they know things we don't. Perhaps Rubio's lead is bigger and more durable then public polls suggest. If Rubio was constantly performing so weakly in more accurate internal polls, it's hard to see them pulling out.

On the other hand, maybe his lead becomes smaller and he becomes more vulnerable after they pull(ed) out, in which case it makes their decision a huge blunder.

It's possible, some other recent polls given Rubio a wider lead and Murphy apparently isn't well known in much of Florida.

[136or142]

https://apnews.com/52e309263a0a466db54d16be8f0adb85

AP Politics
Democrats not willing to spend on Florida race, aiding Rubio

And with Trump dragging down Republican candidates across the country, some here see a potential path to victory not just for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, but also for Murphy, a second-term congressman with low name recognition.

"Sen. Rubio is a fatally flawed candidate and apparently some of the major newspapers in Florida felt the same way," said Jim Manley, a Democratic consultant in Washington and former aide to Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada. "I only hope the DSCC is going to reconsider and start pouring money into the race, because he's beatable."

A spokeswoman for the Senate Democratic committee, Sadie Weiner, declined to comment on the group's spending decisions. She said Murphy "has done an outstanding job in this race," adding: "We've been proud to endorse Patrick and help his campaign with targeted investments and we will continue that for the next three weeks."

But the Democrats' pull-back from Florida has angered some of the state's top donors, who have been unsuccessfully pleading with New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, who is closely involved with DSCC decision-making, to rethink the call.

The Senate Majority PAC, a super PAC run by former aides to Reid and Schumer, also is spending only a fraction of what it had planned, erasing its remaining ad buy for Murphy.

Democrats with knowledge of the spending decisions argue it is prohibitively expensive to advertise in Florida. Advertising by outside groups costs some $3 million a week compared to $1.5 million a week in North Carolina, $1 million a week in Indiana and $750,000 a week in Missouri.

[Blackacre]

https://apnews.com/52e309263a0a466db54d16be8f0adb85

AP Politics
Democrats not willing to spend on Florida race, aiding Rubio

And with Trump dragging down Republican candidates across the country, some here see a potential path to victory not just for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, but also for Murphy, a second-term congressman with low name recognition.

"Sen. Rubio is a fatally flawed candidate and apparently some of the major newspapers in Florida felt the same way," said Jim Manley, a Democratic consultant in Washington and former aide to Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada. "I only hope the DSCC is going to reconsider and start pouring money into the race, because he's beatable."

A spokeswoman for the Senate Democratic committee, Sadie Weiner, declined to comment on the group's spending decisions. She said Murphy "has done an outstanding job in this race," adding: "We've been proud to endorse Patrick and help his campaign with targeted investments and we will continue that for the next three weeks."

But the Democrats' pull-back from Florida has angered some of the state's top donors, who have been unsuccessfully pleading with New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, who is closely involved with DSCC decision-making, to rethink the call.

The Senate Majority PAC, a super PAC run by former aides to Reid and Schumer, also is spending only a fraction of what it had planned, erasing its remaining ad buy for Murphy.

Democrats with knowledge of the spending decisions argue it is prohibitively expensive to advertise in Florida. Advertising by outside groups costs some $3 million a week compared to $1.5 million a week in North Carolina, $1 million a week in Indiana and $750,000 a week in Missouri.

C'mon, Chuck, he weaselled out of the Gang of 8 Bill! Ugh.

At least it somewhat validates my decision not to vote for him this year. (Schumer)