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« on: October 19, 2016, 12:07:59 PM »

Interesting data, though it has small sample sizes and English and American ancestry are overrepresented vs. the Census.

Those with German ancestry are older and more likely to be Protestant.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/peteraldhous/trump-and-the-white-vote?utm_term=.hqBya6yjy#.so5ZyVZoZ
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2016, 02:27:50 PM »

Well we know things are bad when the Germans and Italians come together to elect a "strong" leader.

In MN if you have a name like Dan Gnechtenfnechtler or JoAnn Pappenfuss you're probably voting Trump.  If you're a Pulaski or a Johannson you'll probably vote Hillary.

Damned Germans...the skim milk of the germanic crop.
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2016, 05:30:30 PM »

Well we know things are bad when the Germans and Italians come together to elect a "strong" leader.

In MN if you have a name like Dan Gnechtenfnechtler or JoAnn Pappenfuss you're probably voting Trump.  If you're a Pulaski or a Johannson you'll probably vote Hillary.

Damned Germans...the skim milk of the germanic crop.

I have heard that in Minnesota, historically, the Republicans were the "German party" and DFL was the "Norwegian/Swedish party."

Interesting data, though it has small sample sizes and English and American ancestry are overrepresented vs. the Census.

Those with German ancestry are older and more likely to be Protestant.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/peteraldhous/trump-and-the-white-vote?utm_term=.hqBya6yjy#.so5ZyVZoZ

They may be Protestant now, but odds are their ancestors were Catholic. Only the very old line German immigrants (i.e. the colonial era through the early 18th century) tended to be Protestant; the later ones (who tended to settle in the Midwest and the West) were usually Catholics.
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2016, 06:25:29 PM »

Germans in TX are pretty Republican. They give TX-23 its Republican lean.
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2016, 07:47:14 PM »
« Edited: October 23, 2016, 07:58:29 PM by TDAS04 »

Well we know things are bad when the Germans and Italians come together to elect a "strong" leader.

In MN if you have a name like Dan Gnechtenfnechtler or JoAnn Pappenfuss you're probably voting Trump.  If you're a Pulaski or a Johannson you'll probably vote Hillary.

Damned Germans...the skim milk of the germanic crop.

I have heard that in Minnesota, historically, the Republicans were the "German party" and DFL was the "Norwegian/Swedish party."

And before the DFL merger, the Farmer-Labor Party was the "Norwegian/Swedish party" and the Democrats were the "Irish Party."  It took a while for the Scandinavian Lutherans to join with the papist-dominated Democrats.

Back to the OP, a major reason why those with German ancestry seem so Republican is that on top of being so well-assimilated, they are heavily concentrated in rural areas relative to other ethnicities.
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2016, 02:01:31 PM »

Most White Americans are just White Americans and have barely any links with their immigrant past. In the rural Midwest a high proportion of the population has some German ancestry, but it's not accurate to think of them as Germans and generally they will have plenty of ancestors from other places. There are still a few relative ethnic enclaves but they aren't even close to being typical.
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2016, 07:19:07 PM »
« Edited: October 24, 2016, 07:20:56 PM by King of Kensington »

They may be Protestant now, but odds are their ancestors were Catholic. Only the very old line German immigrants (i.e. the colonial era through thttps://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=galleryhe early 18th century) tended to be Protestant; the later ones (who tended to settle in the Midwest and the West) were usually Catholics.

The 1880s wave (mostly Prussian) was overwhelmingly Protestant.  It seems that the biggest Catholic influx was in the mid-19th century, and even then I'm not so sure they made up the majority of German immigrants.
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2016, 11:33:12 PM »

Well we know things are bad when the Germans and Italians come together to elect a "strong" leader.

In MN if you have a name like Dan Gnechtenfnechtler or JoAnn Pappenfuss you're probably voting Trump.  If you're a Pulaski or a Johannson you'll probably vote Hillary.

Damned Germans...the skim milk of the germanic crop.

That's only true in rural Minnesota of course. If you live in inner-city Minneapolis or St. Paul you're voting Hillary regardless of your last name. And probably voting Republican regardless of last name too if you live somewhere like Lakeville or in Wright or Sherburne County. Similarily I wouldn't expect someone with a very German last name who lives in Rochester and works for IBM or the Mayo Clinic to be voting Trump.

Most White Americans are just White Americans and have barely any links with their immigrant past. In the rural Midwest a high proportion of the population has some German ancestry, but it's not accurate to think of them as Germans and generally they will have plenty of ancestors from other places. There are still a few relative ethnic enclaves but they aren't even close to being typical.

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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2016, 12:19:39 PM »
« Edited: October 26, 2016, 12:26:36 PM by sparkey »

BuzzFeed also collected data for a few more ancestries that didn't show up in the article's graphic. From the raw data:

Swedish: Clinton 33%, Trump 48% (Trump +15) n=39
Polish: Clinton 35%, Trump 44% (Trump +9) n=125
Dutch: Clinton 34%, Trump 41% (Trump +7) n=41
French: Clinton 35%, Trump 35% (even) n=71
Norwegian: Clinton 37%, Trump 37% (even) n=49
Scottish: Clinton 41%, Trump 38% (Clinton +3) n=107


They also allowed volunteered responses, here are some of the more notable ones:

Danish: Clinton 45%, Trump 27% (Clinton +18) n=11
Greek: Clinton 47%, Trump 12% (Clinton +35) n=17
Russian: Clinton 67%, Trump 29% (Clinton +38) n=21


Germans are still the most pro-Trump after all of those are added. Russians seem to be the most pro-Clinton, although the sample size is tiny for them.
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