Opinion of TJ in Cleve

[DC Al Fine]

One of the very best posters we have, highly informed, extremely intelligent, civil, an excellent writer, who brings a valuable perspective to this particular den of largely secular oriented kids.

I have lots of points of disagreement with TJ, gay marriage being just one of them, but any poster who is informed, coherent, respectful, interesting, and brings in a different perspective is FF by me.

Indeed. The eclectic mix of views is part of what makes the forum so interesting. 100% American liberalism is boring as hell.

[DC Al Fine]

TJ's brand of Republicanism is the type of brand that spiraled out of control and gave us the more annoying elements of the Trump movement. I don't think he gets a pass for being a "reasonable Republican" when he represents politically the worst leftovers of the Bush decade.

I'm kinda curious what this post could possibly be about

I think he's trying to say neocons and/or socons screwed up in office, which combined with Obama-liberalism made Trumpism possible?

[DC Al Fine]

At this point, you are so involved in this argument that you sound more contemptuous toward LGBT rights than you have before. When not even the right wingers are backing you up on your concerns, that should've raised an alarm.

Right-wingers aren't backing Tonio up because we realize the hopelessness of the attempt to convince sjw activists that any position they disagree with might be based in something other than animus against them.    But the issue he raised is clear enough.  Where were the huge boycotts against states that didn't expand Medicaid like there were against states that maybe according to some interpretation of the law might allow a business or two to discriminate against gays? 

This. You can't piss in Tony's beer and wonder why right wingers don't come to your party.