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« on: October 21, 2016, 04:42:19 PM »

Who should the Liberals replace him with as the interim leader?

Who should the Liberals replace him with as the new permanent leader of the party and Prime Minister?   
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2016, 04:52:29 PM »

Deputy Liberal Leader, I guess.
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2016, 05:09:48 PM »

Why?
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2016, 05:10:38 PM »

Ralph Goodale would be interim leader. Permanent: I'd say Dominic LeBlanc.
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2016, 06:00:43 PM »

Does Ralph Goodale speak French? I don't think he does.
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2016, 06:25:07 PM »

Does Ralph Goodale speak French? I don't think he does.

He could have his PS or a minister take French questions for him. He's the most experienced minister, and interim has to be a Chretien-era greybeard.
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2016, 12:16:17 AM »

Does Ralph Goodale speak French? I don't think he does.

He could have his PS or a minister take French questions for him. He's the most experienced minister, and interim has to be a Chretien-era greybeard.

I'm sorry, but even the interim Prime Minister of Canada has to be able to speak French. If Goodale can't speak French there is no way in hell he would become Prime Minister even in the interim. It is not the 1960s anymore.
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2016, 01:45:57 AM »

If the interim leader has to be a bilingual Chretien-era greybeard, John McCallum seems to be more or less perfect for the role.
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2016, 01:46:16 AM »

Why do you need to speak French? Isn't only the province of Quebec majority-French-speaking? It seems really antiquated to demand the PM be able to speak French.
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2016, 02:01:16 AM »

Why do you need to speak French? Isn't only the province of Quebec majority-French-speaking? It seems really antiquated to demand the PM be able to speak French.

It is one of the two official languages of the country. And anyways, any party deciding to elect an non-French speaking leader will get utterly destroyed in French-speaking areas at the next election.
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2016, 06:47:30 AM »

So McCallum as interim then.
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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2016, 09:01:45 AM »

Why do you need to speak French? Isn't only the province of Quebec majority-French-speaking? It seems really antiquated to demand the PM be able to speak French.

Not just Quebec, but 1/3 of NB, parts of Ontario, and Acadian communities in Nova Scotia, PEI and there are even French communities in Western Canada, particularly in Manitoba.
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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2016, 09:16:24 AM »

Why do you need to speak French? Isn't only the province of Quebec majority-French-speaking? It seems really antiquated to demand the PM be able to speak French.

Not just Quebec, but 1/3 of NB, parts of Ontario, and Acadian communities in Nova Scotia, PEI and there are even French communities in Western Canada, particularly in Manitoba.

And more to the point, most of those communities consider unilingualism to be a dealbreaker, so leaders of parties that want to win power pretty have to speak at least mediocre French.
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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2016, 09:24:11 AM »

Speaking of which, how is the language issue handled in other democracies with significant language minorities? Are Swiss or Belgian leaders expected to all speak German/French/Italian or Flemish/French? How about South Africa or India? I imagine it'd be very difficult to find someone who speaks all of their umpteen languages.
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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2016, 11:31:08 AM »

Speaking of which, how is the language issue handled in other democracies with significant language minorities? Are Swiss or Belgian leaders expected to all speak German/French/Italian or Flemish/French? How about South Africa or India? I imagine it'd be very difficult to find someone who speaks all of their umpteen languages.

I would imagine the other countries that it is seen as a plus though not necessarily make or break. But those countries don't have official forced bilingualism to quite the degree Canada does.
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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2016, 02:55:12 PM »

Thank you for your replies.

However, we have to date two possibilities as interim leader and one as permanent leader.

This has developed into a discussion about bilingualism, not leadership.

Any more suggestions as to who would become interim leader and permanent leader?

Thank you. 
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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2016, 03:18:26 PM »

Speaking of which, how is the language issue handled in other democracies with significant language minorities? Are Swiss or Belgian leaders expected to all speak German/French/Italian or Flemish/French? How about South Africa or India? I imagine it'd be very difficult to find someone who speaks all of their umpteen languages.

Elio Di Rupo spoke many langauges, but wasn't particularly competent at Dutch, which raised eyebrows in Flanders.
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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2016, 03:33:41 PM »

Thank you for your replies.

However, we have to date two possibilities as interim leader and one as permanent leader.

This has developed into a discussion about bilingualism, not leadership.

Any more suggestions as to who would become interim leader and permanent leader?

Thank you. 

Interim leader pool is pretty slim. Requirements are usually:
1) Greybeard
2) Bilingual
3) At least semi-prominent, ideally a former cabinet minister.
4) Not running for permanent leader.

The Liberals had their worst ever result in 2011, so the pool is pretty small to begin with. John McCallum is far and away the best choice. I guess Stephane Dion meets the requirements, but he has his own issues. Geofff Regan fits the profile, but he's Speaker, so I doubt he'd do it. Does Lawrence MacAulay speak French?
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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2016, 03:36:04 PM »

Permanent leader would depend on the circumstances. Is Trudeau hit by a bus tomorrow or going down in defeat ten years from now?
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2016, 03:49:39 PM »
« Edited: October 22, 2016, 03:53:46 PM by Lincoln Republican »

No particular reason, he just resigned this week we will say.

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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2016, 04:03:50 PM »

It's not a case from Canada, but since Austrialia operates under a similar parliamentary system:

When Prime Minister Harold Holt disappeared at sea in 1966 and was subsequently declared dead, the Governor General summoned John McEwen, leader of the allied Country Party, to serve as caretaker Prime Minister until Liberals could choose the new leader (and new permanent PM). McEwen served for less than a month before Liberals elected John Gorton.

Another Australian example of a very short tenure would be Deputy PM Frank Forde, appointed in 1945 after John Curtin's death in office. He served just eight days before losing his bid to be selected as Labor's permanent leader.

So I imagine if Trudeau suddenly leaves office the same principle will apply here.
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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2016, 04:05:42 PM »

If Trudeau was to suddenly die right amidst the peak of his honeymoon, i could imagine a movement to draft his wife tbh
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2016, 04:14:00 PM »

If he were to die, historical precedent would be to select someone from the Senate. Might not work considering all Liberal Senators are officially "independent". And, a prime minister hasn't died in office in over 100 years, so historical precedent may mean nothing.

It should be noted though that before they elected Harper, the Conservative leader was also selected from the Senate after the merger.
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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2016, 04:20:16 PM »

Speaking of which, how is the language issue handled in other democracies with significant language minorities? Are Swiss or Belgian leaders expected to all speak German/French/Italian or Flemish/French? How about South Africa or India? I imagine it'd be very difficult to find someone who speaks all of their umpteen languages.
In Belgium it's considered less important for politicians to be bilingual, for some reason, and the most important facilitator of this situation is of course the electoral system, under which parties solely operate in one community (with the exception of Brussel-Hoofdstad, the capital region). Politicians only have to win votes in their own community. A Canadian politician has to be bilingual to win votes in both English-speaking and French-speaking Canada to be electorally successful, but a Belgian politician simply needs be successful in their own community. Of course, there are also many historical differences between the Belgian and Canadian situations which have led to the current situation in both countries.
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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2016, 04:52:13 PM »

If he were to die, historical precedent would be to select someone from the Senate. Might not work considering all Liberal Senators are officially "independent". And, a prime minister hasn't died in office in over 100 years, so historical precedent may mean nothing.

It should be noted though that before they elected Harper, the Conservative leader was also selected from the Senate after the merger.

If I recall correctly, Turner wasn't even member of either house when appointed PM, but at least he was already elected Liberal Leader. Also, wasn't Mackenzie King appointed PM one time after actually losing his seat in GE?

It doesn't apply here, since both were official party leaders, but theoretically speaking, having a non-MP to head a brief caretaker ministry doesn't sound that far-fetched.
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