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Question: What is your opinion of patriotism?
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jfern
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« on: July 05, 2005, 02:58:03 AM »

Patriotism is by and large a good thing... Nationalism on the other hand is by and large a bad thing.

Perhaps oversimplified, but it's what I tend to think

These last 4 years have made "Patriotism" a bad word.
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jfern
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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2005, 04:37:50 AM »

These last 4 years have made "Patriotism" a bad word.

How exactly?

That everyone who has ever criticized Bush has been called "un-patriotic" for the last 4 years. Patriotic is now a loaded word here. MSNBC just today called Bush protestors un-patriotic.
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jfern
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2005, 04:40:32 AM »

Teddy Roosevelt had it right.

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

The problem is that most of people using the word think it's ok that Bush ignored repeated warnings that Al Qaeda might attack the US (and don't forget that they already attack the World Trade Center, in 1993), and then he started a war for no good reason. It's been completely corrupted.
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jfern
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2005, 06:06:14 PM »



If it's your opinion that wishing your nation to lose a war is "loving" your nation. Well then that certainly is a twisted definition of love. That's kind of like an abusive husband saying... "Yes, I beat you, but I beat you because I love[/i] you.

If their kid started a fist fight, any responsible parent would not root for their kid to knock the other kid out.
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jfern
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2005, 06:20:26 PM »

Iraq was well worth it. Saddam was a threat and us allowing him to stay in power would have been dangerous at best. We did the right thing, end of argument. Those who are undermining our war effort and trying to make this war Vietnam 2 are just as bad as members of Al Qaeda.

Oh, come on, criticizing Bush for not giving the troops enougn body armor is not undermining the war.
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