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« on: April 15, 2004, 09:44:28 AM »

PART I

October 14th, 1912
While campaigning in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, TR was shot by saloonkeeper John Schrank in a failed assassination attempt on. With a fresh flesh wound and the bullet still in him, Roosevelt still delivered his scheduled speech. (He was not seriously wounded although his doctors thought it too dangerous to attempt to remove the bullet lodged in his chest and he carried it with him until he died. The gun used was a Colt Police Positive revolver in .38 S&W caliber, serial number 58714.)

Over the next days newspaper cartoonists Across the nation create hundreds of caricatures of Roosevelt as a bull moose defeating cowering hunters.
TR new slogan: "Nothing can stop a Bull Moose!"


November 5th 1912
TR wins the presidency with 6,296,184 or 41.84% and 267 EV
Woodrow Wilson - 4,122,721 or 27.40% and 256 EV
William Taft - 3,486,242 or 23.17% and 8  EV
 Eugene Debs 901,551  or 5.99%  and no EV

Janury 3rd 1913
The 63rd congress takes oath with 220 democrats, 197 republicans, 17 Progressives and 1 socialists.

March 4th 1913
TR is inaugurated as the 28th President. He becomes  the second person elected to non-consecutive terms, and the first president from a new party since one, Abraham Lincoln.

July 4th 1913
choosing the fourth of July, 137th independence day of USA, 137 representatives from both major parties announce that they are changing their affiliations to become "Bull Moosers". the 63rd congress is now made of 140 democrats,  140 republicans, 154 progressives and one socialist. the Three party era in USA history begun.

June 28th 1914
Archiduke Ferdinand of Austria-Hungary is assassinated. The Great War begins in Europe. TR announces that the USA will remain neutral but will take action should American interests be threatened.

Novrmber 3rd 1914
The Bull Moose Party wins 17 senate races (after another 19 senators joined july 4th), 9 gubernatorial races and a 222 (majority) house seats - democrats wins 125 and republicans only 88. The "Moosers"  now controll the hill.

May 1st 1915
The American ship Gulflight is torpedoed by a German submarine. Two Americans are killed. TR sends a harsh letter of protest to the Kaiser.

May 7th 1915
The steamship Lusitania is sunk by a German submarine. Over 100 Americans die in the disaster. TR summons the German ambassador and demands a formal apology, compensation for the victims' families and a guarantee in the Kaiser's own handwriting that no further hostile action will be taken against American shipping or other vessels carrying American citizens.

May 11th 1915
The German ambassador delivers the Kaiser's response. "It is the opinion of the Imperial German government that the North and South Atlantic Oceans are theatres of war and thus any and all vessels travelling there will be subject to boarding, commandeering, and possible destruction." TR - in what is now known as 'the panch to the face' hits the ambassador, order him  to leave the country and cut diplomatics ties with Germany.

May 12th 1915
TR proclaim War on Germany and the central powers before an extraordinary joint session of Congress.

June 6th 1915
First American troops arrive on French soil, General John Pershing is appointed as senior commander of the American Forces in Europe.

June-December 1915
Allied forces gains wins throuout the western Theaters.

December 22nd 1915
TR announces to Congress that more then 500,000 American  troops are in Europe and declares that "the war will be over in a year or by Xmass1916"

January 31st 1916
American, British and French troops cross the Rhine despite Harsh Winter and heavy German resistance. Airplanes make the Allies supirior.

March 31st 1916
TR  announces that he will run for another term as president, saying that we can't afford to change leaders in the middle of a war. The slogan: "You don't change bull mooses in mid-stream!"

May 8th 1916
Allied troops march into Berlin, only to find that the Kaiser has fled. Captured officials reveal that the Imperial Government has been moved to East Prussia.

May 14th 1916
From the new capital of Danzig (Gdansk( the Kaiser orders that all remaining German units should begin moving against the Russian armies to the east.

May-august 1916
Allied troops continue eastward from Berlin. They are slowed by small German units which stayed behind to harass the Allies.

September 1st 1916
In a stunning move, the German army captures Minsk. TR orders Pershing to take whatever action is necessary to overtake the German forces.

October 5th 1916
The German army is within 75 km. of Petrograd. The Czar flees and a provisional government headed by Alexander Kerensky takes power. The allies, however, are less than a week behind the Germans.

October 11th 1916
The first Allied troops make contact with German soldiers near Petrograd. The Germans resist fiercely but are no match for the Allies' airplanes.

October 16th 1916
Allied forces capture Danzig and take the Kaiser into custody.

October 20th 1916
German commanders give the order to cease fighting.

October 23 1916
TR stands before joint session of Congress to announce the end of the war.
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2004, 11:30:00 AM »

PART II

November 7th 1916
TR is re-elected with 18,710;399 votes or 63.84% and 476 EV
Woodrow Wilson wins  4,563,434 votes or 24.63% and 55 EV in 5 deep south states
Charles Hughes, the Republican, wins 2,137,198 votes or 11.53% and no EV
Progressives now have 254 seats in the house (including 4 women, 2 years earlier Jeannette Rankin, a Progressive from Montana was first woman in congress), 42 senators and 21 governors


Novemver 11th 1916
TR signs the Armistice pact in the Hall of Versailles along with the leaders of Britain, France and Russia.

December 24rd 1916
After reports detailing the extent of destruction and hunger in Germany and parts of Europe TR announces what is known as "Roosvelt Xmass plane" to rebuild Europe. TR declare "America must be mercy in victory, we waved the stick, now it's a new ball game".

January 18th 1917
The victorious Allies leaders meet and decide: Germany  will be temporarily split into three districts. The western side will be administered by France, the central section by the U.S. and the eastern section by Britain. Austria-Hungary is to be split into separate countries, each with constitutional monarchies and written guarantees of the rights of minority citizens. Poland will be re-formed out of territory ceded by Germany, Austria and Hungary. Serbia will gain independence.

March 4th 1917
TR start his term but it's a Sunday so he is not sworn in until the next day. He becomes the only president to be elected three times and to serve four terms.

April 1st 1917
British soldiers in occupied Germany stop a train for a routine inspection just east of Berlin. They find the carriages are sealed and are met with gunfire when they try to break in. Many of the passengers are killed in the exchange. Papers found in the train reveal that the passengers were members of the radical Bolshevik movement who were headed towards Petrograd with plans to overthrow the still-shaky Kerensky government. One of the dead is identified as a high-level Bolshevik official named Vladimir Ilich Lenin.

Februar-November 1917
After Shaky times and changes of goverment Democracy arrives in Russia, Leib Trozky's democratic semi marxist party's win the elections November 7th.
 
August 26th 1917
The Nineteenth Amendment is adopted and the women of the USA can vote.

1918
Followed by the social improovment of TR and The win of the war the Americam economy enjoys it's greatest year ever.

October 27th 1918
TR pronounce- on his 60th birthday - Alaska as the 49th state and proclaime 88% of it a national park.  

November 2nd 1918
The "Moosers" gains more seats in the house and senate and in the states as well.

January 6th 1919
The nation is shocked to hear that TR died in his sleep in Oyster Bay, New York.
hiram Johnson is the 29th president

no great depression, no USSSR, no WW2......

29th Hiram Johnson                1919-1925
30th Bob LaFolettee               1925-1933
31st FDR (as progressive)      1933-1945
32nd Henri Wallace                1945-1953
33rd TR jr (didn't die in WW2)1953-1961
34th Pat Brown                       1961-1969
35th Kenneth B. Keating         1969-1975 (died in office)
36th Seymour Halpern            1975-1981


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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2004, 11:39:31 AM »

Gooooooo Moosers! Grin
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2004, 02:10:33 PM »

yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhh
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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2004, 02:38:59 PM »

'You don't change bull mooses in mid-stream' Cheesy

'Albania? But why? '

'Why not?' Wink
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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2004, 02:43:17 PM »

did you like it Gus?
took me a whole day
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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2004, 02:54:51 PM »

did you like it Gus?
took me a whole day

Yeah, it was good. I see the Progressives win pretty much every election... Smiley

And is the semi-marxist party in Russia also a Progressive one? Cheesy Wink

Seriously, I don't think Trosky would've won. The SR, the more moderate socislists would most likely have won, like they did in real life.
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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2004, 02:55:16 PM »

Very nice idea Dunn. But sadly I must bring a crushing blow of reality to your scenario. The Allies, would never, EVER make it to Berlin in WWI. If they beat the Germans to the Rhine that would be sufficient enough for a victory, remember the surrendered after an advance of 16 miles along all the front. It was projected that by 1918 or was it 17 America would have 3 million men to fight in France. I like the idea of a stable Germany, Russia and Europe, but this scenario is a little unfeasible. Also airplanes didn't really effect the First World War a lot, perhaps you should just exchange airplanes for tanks, that would make more sense, but as said the War wouldn't need to progress that far.

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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2004, 03:32:07 PM »

did you like it Gus?
took me a whole day

Yeah, it was good. I see the Progressives win pretty much every election... Smiley

And is the semi-marxist party in Russia also a Progressive one? Cheesy Wink

Seriously, I don't think Trosky would've won. The SR, the more moderate socislists would most likely have won, like they did in real life.
As you might recall my great-grandmother was Trozky 2nd cousine...so...
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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2004, 03:35:09 PM »

Very nice idea Dunn. But sadly I must bring a crushing blow of reality to your scenario. The Allies, would never, EVER make it to Berlin in WWI. If they beat the Germans to the Rhine that would be sufficient enough for a victory, remember the surrendered after an advance of 16 miles along all the front. It was projected that by 1918 or was it 17 America would have 3 million men to fight in France. I like the idea of a stable Germany, Russia and Europe, but this scenario is a little unfeasible. Also airplanes didn't really effect the First World War a lot, perhaps you should just exchange airplanes for tanks, that would make more sense, but as said the War wouldn't need to progress that far.

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In this scnario the plains are , and - well - it is 'what if' and compare to other scnario's here I was very much with 'feet on the ground' I think  
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« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2004, 03:48:00 PM »

did you like it Gus?
took me a whole day

Yeah, it was good. I see the Progressives win pretty much every election... Smiley

And is the semi-marxist party in Russia also a Progressive one? Cheesy Wink

Seriously, I don't think Trosky would've won. The SR, the more moderate socislists would most likely have won, like they did in real life.
As you might recall my great-grandmother was Trozky 2nd cousine...so...

OK, I understand. Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2004, 04:38:29 AM »

did you like it Gus?
took me a whole day

Yeah, it was good. I see the Progressives win pretty much every election... Smiley

And is the semi-marxist party in Russia also a Progressive one? Cheesy Wink

Seriously, I don't think Trosky would've won. The SR, the more moderate socislists would most likely have won, like they did in real life.
As you might recall my great-grandmother was Trozky 2nd cousine...so...

OK, I understand. Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2004, 07:29:41 AM »

TR would not have died in 1919 in this TL.  He died in 1919 because of long lasting effects of an infected leg he got in the Amazon, from a trip in 1913, after his defeat as a Progressive.  With out this injury, TR could have lived to maybe 1930 if you strech it a lot.
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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2004, 09:17:45 AM »

TR would not have died in 1919 in this TL.  He died in 1919 because of long lasting effects of an infected leg he got in the Amazon, from a trip in 1913, after his defeat as a Progressive.  With out this injury, TR could have lived to maybe 1930 if you strech it a lot.
well' I wanted to let him finish the term but un like a rule that you do not change person death date, Maybe I will make it with him living another 10 years
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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2004, 12:03:56 PM »

SUPERB!!!
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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2004, 12:36:16 PM »

thanks
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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2004, 02:05:08 PM »

TR would not have died in 1919 in this TL.  He died in 1919 because of long lasting effects of an infected leg he got in the Amazon, from a trip in 1913, after his defeat as a Progressive.  With out this injury, TR could have lived to maybe 1930 if you strech it a lot.
well' I wanted to let him finish the term but un like a rule that you do not change person death date, Maybe I will make it with him living another 10 years

TR may live into the 1950's in my TL.
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2004, 02:38:24 PM »

VP Harry, TR couln't have live till the 1950's.
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2004, 02:48:05 PM »

VP Harry, TR couln't have live till the 1950's.
He was born in 1858, so it is possible.
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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2004, 02:57:57 PM »

glad you see how great he was

go progressives
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