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« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2016, 07:05:54 PM »


I doubt the legitimacy of this argument (often used to justify the reverse, giving people the harder time of life imprisonment). This can differ for everyone, but it is very possible to still make a positive impact while incarcerated. Perhaps slightly rare but certainly more than possible. No reason to support killing people who can still be highly useful citizens and human beings.
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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2016, 07:07:05 PM »

American are getting less and less bright every year.
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« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2016, 07:57:13 PM »

American are getting less and less bright every year.

Lol what an ironic post.
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« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2016, 08:35:59 PM »


We're still a long way from reaching the level of Canadia.
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« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2016, 07:27:34 AM »


psst, guys: both categories are the less than half categories
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« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2016, 07:47:08 AM »

The Democratic Party now has abolition of state-sanctioned murder in its platform.

May G*d give our Democratic politicians the good judgement and grace to see to it that the federal government finally ends this barbaric purification ritual.

And yet, unless something changed along the way I've missed, the Democratic nominee is pro-death penalty.
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« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2016, 02:20:21 PM »

Fantastic news!

With these numbers, the California proposition definitely has a chance.
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« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2016, 02:36:04 PM »

Good news. I'm not against the death penalty in principle, but I definitely oppose the way it is used in the US, and I hope the California proposition will reach a majority.
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« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2016, 02:40:49 PM »

Even if a mass murder (hey if you kill one, the rest of the kills are "freebies"), or a murder in a prison by a lifer, or raping a child and then killing the kid, after putting out his or her finger nails, where the evidence is totally conclusive? Yeah, I'm with Grumps that the death penalty is just and needed in certain instances. But those instances should be very limited, and the evidence has to be just about 100% conclusive. We don't want to make a mistake and off an innocent person.
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« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2016, 11:01:35 PM »
« Edited: December 21, 2016, 11:04:13 PM by Frodo »

The Death Penalty Information Center is also seeing the same thing:

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/YearEnd2016





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« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2016, 11:02:52 PM »

imho people who stand against abortions in all cases and support the death penalty are the peak of hypocrisy.
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« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2016, 11:35:53 PM »

In its current form it's pathetic. People wait 20 or 30 years, long after their last appeal, to be executed. We need to speed things up. One thing that would help is using the guillotine - always available, quick, painless.
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« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2016, 11:45:00 PM »

In its current form it's pathetic. People wait 20 or 30 years, long after their last appeal, to be executed. We need to speed things up. One thing that would help is using the guillotine - always available, quick, painless.

It's very hard to believe this isn't sarcasm. If there is any joke, please let us in on it.
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« Reply #38 on: December 21, 2016, 11:46:28 PM »

imho people who stand against abortions in all cases and support the death penalty are the peak of hypocrisy.

Nah, that is a stupid argument. Babies haven't committed murder.

Fetus is not baby.
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« Reply #39 on: December 21, 2016, 11:48:40 PM »

imho people who stand against abortions in all cases and support the death penalty are the peak of hypocrisy.

Nah, that is a stupid argument. Babies haven't committed murder.

Fetus is not baby.
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« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2016, 12:01:38 AM »
« Edited: December 22, 2016, 02:27:06 AM by Winds for the spices and stars for the gold »

imho people who stand against abortions in all cases and support the death penalty are the peak of hypocrisy.

It's not hypocritical but it's not a good look.

Hopefully we can see some sort of meaningful movement on this soon and people will stop reflexively voting to keep an unamendable, irreversible punishment in all these disingenuously-campaigned referenda.
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« Reply #41 on: December 22, 2016, 12:12:11 AM »

imho people who stand against abortions in all cases and support the death penalty are the peak of hypocrisy.

Nah, that is a stupid argument. Babies haven't committed murder.

pro-life is pro-life not "life on condition" or "life if i want".....

....besides the fact that i think it's kind of blasphemic.
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« Reply #42 on: December 22, 2016, 12:14:01 AM »

imho people who stand against abortions in all cases and support the death penalty are the peak of hypocrisy.

Nah, that is a stupid argument. Babies haven't committed murder.

Fetus is not baby.

I agree, but the opposite position is not "hypocritical." People who support the death penalty and oppose legal abortion think that it's OK to kill people as long as they've done something very very bad, and people who hold the opposite position think it's not OK to kill people, but fetuses don't count as people. Both seem hypocritical on the surface but not so much once you dig deep into it.

Personally I strongly oppose the death penalty. I have mixed feelings on abortion morally (tending towards the "It's probably bad but it's also probably none of my business" viewpoint) but I strongly support it being legal. That said, I totally understand the reasoning behind anti-abortion positions. I don't really see the reasoning behind supporting the death penalty (I can understand the emotional, but not logical reasoning).
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« Reply #43 on: December 22, 2016, 04:02:45 AM »

For the record, I don't think there's anything hypocritical about being in favor of the death penalty and being "pro-life". I'm vaguely opposed to the death penalty but it isn't a particularly important issue to me and, on an emotional or moral level, I don't have a particular problem with it.
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« Reply #44 on: December 22, 2016, 04:26:43 AM »

I've noticed some conservatives moving to the left on criminal justice reform as of late. This might be part of it.

I really think the botched executions are swaying people as well.
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« Reply #45 on: December 22, 2016, 05:11:15 PM »

Figueria nails it again
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« Reply #46 on: December 22, 2016, 10:50:07 PM »

It's a shame the death penalty didn't stay banned after SCOTUS ruled it unconstitutional in 1972
Except it never did that. What it ruled was that all existing death penalty statutes were unconstitutional, not that the death penalty itself was. Given that the fifth amendment itself implicitly accepts that capital punishment is constitutional, I can't see any court ever ruling that capital punishment per second is unconstitutional.
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« Reply #47 on: December 23, 2016, 08:42:28 AM »

I like polls like this to see how the country is shifting and how the partes may need to shift their views.

Anyways I think the deasth penalty should be very limited.

Step 1: There is undeniable evidence against a suspect who commited a very heinous crime (like serial killing).
Step 2: Provide immediate help
Step 3: Ask the criminal if assissted suicide may be the answer for him or her.
Step 4: If the person says no, but continues to be unruly then the death penalty may be used.
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« Reply #48 on: December 23, 2016, 10:23:26 AM »

I don't really support the death penalty. But like the Norwegians after WWII, I'll make an exception from Traitor Trump and his band of plunder monkeys.
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« Reply #49 on: December 23, 2016, 10:39:37 AM »

Step 3: Ask the criminal if assissted suicide may be the answer for him or her.

I don't see how this is different from the death penalty, unless you are an Edo-period samurai who thinks "being ordered to commit seppuku" is more honorable or whatever than being executed neat.
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