Should Ontario and Quebec be partitioned?
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« on: October 24, 2016, 09:41:48 PM »

Ontario is a ludicrously oversized province that one could really fit several provinces into - the capital region, the North, the GTA etc. Quebec would be harder, because a very Francophone province would immediately try to secede, but also seems fairly unweildy in its size. For good measure, you could merge the Maritimes to make a more healthy sized province.
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2016, 09:48:29 PM »

Ridiculously large provinces are part of Canada's character.

Merging the maritimes might make more sense, as they're the ones that don't really "fit", but I don't see it unless there's an actual problem with the way they're being run.
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2016, 07:47:00 AM »

As someone who lives in the Ontario periphery, I say yes! We should at least have a capital district.
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2016, 10:24:09 PM »

They already were when Canada was split into Upper Canada (Ontario) and Lower Canada (Quebec).
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2016, 01:48:45 AM »

At the very least, Northern Ontario should definitely be its own thing.
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2016, 04:49:41 PM »

Quebec: No, I'm not touching that hornets' nest

Ontario: Sure. I'd be fine with that so long as the partition doesn't involve making some ridiculous GTA/non-GTA divide. Northern Ontario in particular has a very different set of interests than say Rosedale or Kitchener.
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2016, 10:15:43 AM »

Northern Ontario is for all intents and purposes its own province anyways. It is very dependent on the rest of Ontario though, so it couldn't survive on its own. However, I would be all in favour of Northern Ontario devolution Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2016, 05:30:02 AM »

As someone who lives in the Ontario periphery, I say yes! We should at least have a capital district.

What are the arguments in favor of having a capital district?
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2016, 08:14:12 AM »

As someone who lives in the Ontario periphery, I say yes! We should at least have a capital district.

What are the arguments in favor of having a capital district?

Well for one thing, we wouldn't have to have Kathleen Wynne as Premier anymore!

I'm not well versed on the arguments in favour and against capital districts, but I do have a feeling of disconnect with the rest of Ontario due to the province's sheer size.
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2016, 04:59:57 PM »
« Edited: November 02, 2016, 05:02:16 PM by Zyzz »

Californians like to brag about being over 1/10 of the US population, but Ontario is a whopping 37-38% of the Canadian population. Ontario being the 800 pound Gorilla in Confederation would be a understatement. It is such a vast swathe of Canada, that basically what ever is good for Canada is good for Ontario, and what is good for Ontario is good for Canada. Even the Greater Toronto Area itself has 1/6 people in all of Canada.

It would make sense from a population standpoint to make a Ontario without the GTA, and then make the GTA it's own new province. But geographically the GTA is very small and the rest of Ontario is huge. You would barely notice the GTA on the map,  it would be a lot like looking at the county by county US election returns in a way. Maybe you could make Northern Ontario it's own province, although Northern Ontario only has 700,000 people or so, but still larger than PEI.
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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2016, 03:43:51 PM »

Partition Pakistani Punjab first.
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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2016, 03:51:11 PM »

The only argument here is for Northern Ontario.

People, people, political communities are not things you can just draw lines over, and over and over again... unless you absolutely have to.
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