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Question: What most concerns or upsets you about the current state of the US? (round 5, final)
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#1 - Income Inequality / Affording healthcare, college, childcare, housing, energy, food, transportation, retirement, leave
 
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#2 - Race-fuelled violence / Police shootings / Bigotry / Riots / need of Criminal Justice & Voting Reform / Civil Rights
 
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« on: October 25, 2016, 10:45:18 PM »

What is most concerning or upsetting to you about the current state of the USA, and why?

 PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY



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-our current Race issues are deeply unsettlingly and uncomfortable to me, I didn't think our country would be here again

-so many not being able to afford so much, while not disturbing or shocking like the race/police issues, is still perpetually concerning despite it being accepted as the status quo by so many





While I think affordability is the bigger issue... I have to say that recent coverage of racial tensions, police tensions, and criminal justice unfairness have been even more emotionally upsetting for me because
1. I thought we were over it
2. At least with the affordability issues, it's because of something that can't usually be helped without really changing the economic structure and raising taxes... where with race, it could basically be solved if we were just move kind, loving, and empathetic. It's more of a sickness with our culture, and that makes it more disturbing.
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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2016, 10:49:54 PM »

I'm going to go with economic inequality, because alleviating economic inequality would also go a long way to promoting racial equality as well.
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2016, 10:51:29 PM »

I'm going to go with economic inequality, because alleviating economic inequality would also go a long way to promoting racial equality as well.
But is it what most concerns/upsets/disturbs you, on an emotional level?

A lot of the race-related issues are due to lack of love and empathy, not lack of money.
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2016, 10:55:27 PM »

I'm going to go with economic inequality, because alleviating economic inequality would also go a long way to promoting racial equality as well.
But is it what most concerns/upsets/disturbs you, on an emotional level?

A lot of the race-related issues are due to lack of love and empathy, not lack of money.

A lot of the economic policies that created income inequality are also due to lack of empathy.

I'm not sure which one upsets me most. In terms of single events, shootings of unarmed people are among those that get at most deeply. Same with wrongful convictions, which is another plague that disproportionally affects black people. But in everyday political debate I probably get more impassionate about socioeconomic policy.
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2016, 02:04:07 PM »

     Race issues bother me because this sort of thing has no business existing in a modern liberal democracy. Treating another person differently based on the color of their skin is antithetical to the values upon which that democracy is predicated on.
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2016, 02:31:13 PM »

     Race issues bother me because this sort of thing has no business existing in a modern liberal democracy. Treating another person differently based on the color of their skin is antithetical to the values upon which that democracy is predicated on.

While I think we treat people very differently based on how much money they have to spend and call that completely acceptable.

Solving inequality will make reducing racism easier.
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2016, 04:58:11 PM »

     Race issues bother me because this sort of thing has no business existing in a modern liberal democracy. Treating another person differently based on the color of their skin is antithetical to the values upon which that democracy is predicated on.

While I think we treat people very differently based on how much money they have to spend and call that completely acceptable.

Solving inequality will make reducing racism easier.

     Well, I try to treat people as individuals and not as members of a group. The only difference about money is that it is something you have a certain degree of control over (though how much of a degree that actually is depends on factors beyond your control), whereas your race is something you have no control over.

     Can't disagree with inequality exacerbating race problems; I've said before that the race problems we face are attributable in large part to a few sociological factors, with one of those factors being poverty.
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2016, 08:18:00 PM »

Race issues tie into economic inequality, but by themselves they merely exist in the background compared to economic issues.
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2016, 09:40:42 PM »

Back in the right forum. Please vote in this final round!
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2016, 11:00:50 AM »

Back in the right forum. Please vote in this final round!
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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2016, 03:11:11 PM »

Well I didn't intend this, but the choice between these 2 is shaping up to be the main post-2016 debate within the Democratic Party it seems.
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2016, 09:27:47 PM »

Reforms in #1 could indirectly bring about reform in #2.
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2016, 10:26:06 PM »

Both are big. I don't think I can say that one is more important then the other.
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2016, 11:43:21 PM »

Reforms in #1 could indirectly bring about reform in #2.
But this thread isn't about political reforms.

Which of these 2 topics, both casting a large shadow in US political discussion, is the most personally upsetting/emotional to you?
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