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« Reply #75 on: July 07, 2005, 05:47:27 PM »

Exactly why the extreme-right is to be feared. 

An ultra-liberal America: gay marriage and marijuana

An ultra-conservative America: totalitarianism based on the moral views of it's leaders
You forgot no guns, rampant crime, socialism, communism, possibly even fascism.

Much of the left doesn't favor new national gun laws.
Much of the right doesn't favour totalitarianism.
Yeah, they're just freedom lovers with totalitarian leanings.
Tell me. What can liberalism do for me that conservatism or centrism (don't know if that's an actual word) cannot?
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« Reply #76 on: July 07, 2005, 05:49:22 PM »

Exactly why the extreme-right is to be feared. 

An ultra-liberal America: gay marriage and marijuana

An ultra-conservative America: totalitarianism based on the moral views of it's leaders
You forgot no guns, rampant crime, socialism, communism, possibly even fascism.

Much of the left doesn't favor new national gun laws.
Much of the right doesn't favour totalitarianism.
Yeah, they're just freedom lovers with totalitarian leanings.
Tell me. What can liberalism do for me that conservatism or centrism (don't know if that's an actual word) cannot?

They can tax you more.  HAHAHA
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« Reply #77 on: July 07, 2005, 05:49:51 PM »

Tell me. What can liberalism do for me that conservatism or centrism (don't know if that's an actual word) cannot?

It all depends on what you want done. The Democratic party has a much better record of creating jobs when they're in power.
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« Reply #78 on: July 07, 2005, 05:51:06 PM »

Tell me. What can liberalism do for me that conservatism or centrism (don't know if that's an actual word) cannot?

It all depends on what you want done. The Democratic party has a much better record of creating jobs when they're in power.
Oh? What kinds of jobs? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #79 on: July 07, 2005, 05:54:05 PM »

Tell me. What can liberalism do for me that conservatism or centrism (don't know if that's an actual word) cannot?

It all depends on what you want done. The Democratic party has a much better record of creating jobs when they're in power.
Oh? What kinds of jobs? Roll Eyes
Pretty much any kind. There was a net creation of 22.7 million jobs under the Clinton adminstration, and about 21-22 million of those were private sector.
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« Reply #80 on: July 07, 2005, 05:59:46 PM »

Exactly why the extreme-right is to be feared. 

An ultra-liberal America: gay marriage and marijuana

An ultra-conservative America: totalitarianism based on the moral views of it's leaders
You forgot no guns, rampant crime, socialism, communism, possibly even fascism.

Much of the left doesn't favor new national gun laws.
Much of the right doesn't favour totalitarianism.
Yeah, they're just freedom lovers with totalitarian leanings.
Tell me. What can liberalism do for me that conservatism or centrism (don't know if that's an actual word) cannot?

Save your job for one, but social liberalism is more about the minority than the majority.  None of my views have anything to do with me.  I am not gay, I'm white, male, well-off, going to college.  For all purposes, I should be a Republican.  But, I put aside myself for what I feel is right for others, and that's why I like liberals and like being one.  The only real liberal ideology that would help me personally is marijuana legalization.  Sick of having to be so discreet.   
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« Reply #81 on: July 07, 2005, 06:00:39 PM »

Tell me. What can liberalism do for me that conservatism or centrism (don't know if that's an actual word) cannot?

It all depends on what you want done. The Democratic party has a much better record of creating jobs when they're in power.
Oh? What kinds of jobs? Roll Eyes
Pretty much any kind. There was a net creation of 22.7 million jobs under the Clinton adminstration, and about 21-22 million of those were private sector.

You are under the impression that Presidents or policies create jobs.  Many of those jobs under Clinton were due to the tech rush and then the eventual tech bubble collapse.  All that the Presidents and politics do is attempt to guide the economic conditions in the nation to make it more favorable for businesses to grow . . . however, the markets (both domestic and global) determine if jobs are created, and not the policies.
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« Reply #82 on: July 07, 2005, 06:02:34 PM »

Tell me. What can liberalism do for me that conservatism or centrism (don't know if that's an actual word) cannot?

It all depends on what you want done. The Democratic party has a much better record of creating jobs when they're in power.
Oh? What kinds of jobs? Roll Eyes
Pretty much any kind. There was a net creation of 22.7 million jobs under the Clinton adminstration, and about 21-22 million of those were private sector.

You are under the impression that Presidents or policies create jobs.  Many of those jobs under Clinton were due to the tech rush and then the eventual tech bubble collapse.  All that the Presidents and politics do is attempt to guide the economic conditions in the nation to make it more favorable for businesses to grow . . . however, the markets (both domestic and global) determine if jobs are created, and not the policies.

OK, to be fair, 20 million jobs, plus another 2.7 million or so that were just because of the tech bubble.
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« Reply #83 on: July 07, 2005, 06:02:47 PM »
« Edited: July 07, 2005, 06:05:11 PM by Everett the 18th Century Anti-Jesuit Bavarian Peasant »

Personally, I'm a lucky bastard. At this rate, I probably won't ever have too many problems finding a job. Next?

If being liberal means caring about others, I would fit the stereotype of a Democrat more than a Republican. Nope, sorry, point not taken.
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« Reply #84 on: July 07, 2005, 06:04:17 PM »

Personally, I'm a lucky bastard. At this rate, I probably won't ever have too many problems finding a job. Next?

If being liberal means caring about others, I would fit the stereotype of a Democrat than a Republican. Nope, sorry, point not taken.

If by being a lucky bastard means that you have a lot of inside connections to getting a job, I suppose that the party of meritocracy can't do much for you.
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« Reply #85 on: July 07, 2005, 06:08:26 PM »

Personally, I'm a lucky bastard. At this rate, I probably won't ever have too many problems finding a job. Next?

If being liberal means caring about others, I would fit the stereotype of a Democrat than a Republican. Nope, sorry, point not taken.

If by being a lucky bastard means that you have a lot of inside connections to getting a job, I suppose that the party of meritocracy can't do much for you.
I'm not very wealthy. I'm not white 'enough' to have any real advantage over pure whites. However, since I plan on becoming a teacher, I don't need inside connections when it comes to getting a job.

People tell me how nicely I would fit in the party of the disadvantaged, but I don't bite. I'll remain blissfully Independent for now, thank you very much.
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« Reply #86 on: July 07, 2005, 06:12:17 PM »

Personally, I'm a lucky bastard. At this rate, I probably won't ever have too many problems finding a job. Next?

If being liberal means caring about others, I would fit the stereotype of a Democrat than a Republican. Nope, sorry, point not taken.

If by being a lucky bastard means that you have a lot of inside connections to getting a job, I suppose that the party of meritocracy can't do much for you.
I'm not very wealthy. I'm not white 'enough' to have any real advantage over pure whites. However, since I plan on becoming a teacher, I don't need inside connections when it comes to getting a job.

People tell me how nicely I would fit in the party of the disadvantaged, but I don't bite. I'll remain blissfully Independent for now, thank you very much.

A teacher? So you mean you'll survive on taxpayer dollars, teaching kids some things that their parents might not want them to know?
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« Reply #87 on: July 07, 2005, 06:16:26 PM »

Personally, I'm a lucky bastard. At this rate, I probably won't ever have too many problems finding a job. Next?

If being liberal means caring about others, I would fit the stereotype of a Democrat than a Republican. Nope, sorry, point not taken.

If by being a lucky bastard means that you have a lot of inside connections to getting a job, I suppose that the party of meritocracy can't do much for you.
I'm not very wealthy. I'm not white 'enough' to have any real advantage over pure whites. However, since I plan on becoming a teacher, I don't need inside connections when it comes to getting a job.

People tell me how nicely I would fit in the party of the disadvantaged, but I don't bite. I'll remain blissfully Independent for now, thank you very much.

A teacher? So you mean you'll survive on taxpayer dollars, teaching kids some things that their parents might not want them to know?
What parent of a college student would become offended at mathematics, pray tell me?
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« Reply #88 on: July 07, 2005, 06:18:06 PM »

Personally, I'm a lucky bastard. At this rate, I probably won't ever have too many problems finding a job. Next?

If being liberal means caring about others, I would fit the stereotype of a Democrat than a Republican. Nope, sorry, point not taken.

If by being a lucky bastard means that you have a lot of inside connections to getting a job, I suppose that the party of meritocracy can't do much for you.
I'm not very wealthy. I'm not white 'enough' to have any real advantage over pure whites. However, since I plan on becoming a teacher, I don't need inside connections when it comes to getting a job.

People tell me how nicely I would fit in the party of the disadvantaged, but I don't bite. I'll remain blissfully Independent for now, thank you very much.

A teacher? So you mean you'll survive on taxpayer dollars, teaching kids some things that their parents might not want them to know?
What parent of a college student would become offended at mathematics, pray tell me?

Wait, you mean to tell me that you want to become a professor and you can't figure out how liberalism can help you? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #89 on: July 07, 2005, 06:21:21 PM »

Personally, I'm a lucky bastard. At this rate, I probably won't ever have too many problems finding a job. Next?

If being liberal means caring about others, I would fit the stereotype of a Democrat than a Republican. Nope, sorry, point not taken.

If by being a lucky bastard means that you have a lot of inside connections to getting a job, I suppose that the party of meritocracy can't do much for you.
I'm not very wealthy. I'm not white 'enough' to have any real advantage over pure whites. However, since I plan on becoming a teacher, I don't need inside connections when it comes to getting a job.

People tell me how nicely I would fit in the party of the disadvantaged, but I don't bite. I'll remain blissfully Independent for now, thank you very much.

A teacher? So you mean you'll survive on taxpayer dollars, teaching kids some things that their parents might not want them to know?
What parent of a college student would become offended at mathematics, pray tell me?

Wait, you mean to tell me that you want to become a professor and you can't figure out how liberalism can help you? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, you totally fell for my setup. Nice.
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« Reply #90 on: July 07, 2005, 06:23:47 PM »


What was the point?
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« Reply #91 on: July 07, 2005, 06:30:31 PM »

I don't care about what liberalism can do for me; I was being sarcastic when I asked what it could do for me. I love seeing people defend their ideologies.
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« Reply #92 on: July 07, 2005, 06:32:18 PM »

I don't care about what liberalism can do for me; I was being sarcastic when I asked what it could do for me. I love seeing people defend their ideologies.

So you'd rather just take all of the benefits of liberalism without supporting it?
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« Reply #93 on: July 07, 2005, 06:38:06 PM »

I don't care about what liberalism can do for me; I was being sarcastic when I asked what it could do for me. I love seeing people defend their ideologies.

So you'd rather just take all of the benefits of liberalism without supporting it?
Why should I support 'benefits' when I don't even know or care what these presumably nonexistent 'benefits' are? If you think there are so many 'benefits', feel free to list them all right now while I finish my lunch. I'll gladly take a nice, long time too, so you can fervently prepare a list and defend your ideologies against someone who expresses near-complete apathy about it. You've been doing a really great job of entertaining me during my meal, though. I have to give you credit for that.

(Hmm, cookies or pie? Roll Eyes)

By the way, you don't really have to continue this.
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« Reply #94 on: July 08, 2005, 04:59:49 PM »

I am trying to find out who could be worse than Santorum. Thus far I don’t have a candidate.
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« Reply #95 on: July 08, 2005, 08:12:19 PM »

I am trying to find out who could be worse than Santorum. Thus far I don’t have a candidate.

Ted "Hooker killer" Kennedy.
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« Reply #96 on: July 08, 2005, 08:16:08 PM »

I am trying to find out who could be worse than Santorum. Thus far I don’t have a candidate.

Ted "Hooker killer" Kennedy.
Now do i need to give you a time out?Huh?
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« Reply #97 on: July 08, 2005, 10:48:20 PM »

I seriously doubt this will even become a semi-major campaign issue.

In 2000, Ron Klink brought up some comments that Santorum made about how he raises his children. Santorum pretty much set the story straight and Klink kept whining about it, trying making Santorum out to be a racist. Now everyone says Klink was incredibly weak but he wasn't all that weak with debating. Casey is. If anyone thinks Casey is going to be one to make this an issue during a debate, for example, you're kidding yourself.

Casey is really stuck between a rock and a hrad place.  If he is going to be "like dad", which is pretty his ticket to victory, he needs to stick to a conservative tone on social issues and cannot attack Santorum for his stances.  However, the groups like Moveon.org and the Deaniacs are going to presure Casey to be like them, if he wants thier help and they are going to target the Hell out of this seat, because of their strong hatred of Santorum.  This is why I am honestly not worried, regardless of what the polls say.  The situation on election day will look nothing like this.  As I said before, by the end, either Casey will lose most of the left wing support, or he will be unrecongnizable from Dean.
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« Reply #98 on: July 09, 2005, 01:15:56 AM »

I seriously doubt this will even become a semi-major campaign issue.

In 2000, Ron Klink brought up some comments that Santorum made about how he raises his children. Santorum pretty much set the story straight and Klink kept whining about it, trying making Santorum out to be a racist. Now everyone says Klink was incredibly weak but he wasn't all that weak with debating. Casey is. If anyone thinks Casey is going to be one to make this an issue during a debate, for example, you're kidding yourself.

Casey is really stuck between a rock and a hrad place.  If he is going to be "like dad", which is pretty his ticket to victory, he needs to stick to a conservative tone on social issues and cannot attack Santorum for his stances.  However, the groups like Moveon.org and the Deaniacs are going to presure Casey to be like them, if he wants thier help and they are going to target the Hell out of this seat, because of their strong hatred of Santorum.  This is why I am honestly not worried, regardless of what the polls say.  The situation on election day will look nothing like this.  As I said before, by the end, either Casey will lose most of the left wing support, or he will be unrecongnizable from Dean.

Casey would do well to move to the left on social issues.  You have to remember he is carrying a name, nothing more.  With this leftward movement he will have access to oodles of cash, not have to worry about the peripheral Southeastern PA counties, and hold chunks of central and Northeastern PA intact with the name rec alone.  Now he doesn't have to be Pennacchio, but a leftward movement would benefit him.
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« Reply #99 on: July 10, 2005, 04:44:28 PM »

Why are they so affraid of this guy?
The guy is a real conservative, unlike Cheney, for example, who is only a real economical conservative and a verbal social conservative.
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