Kasich vs Hillary and Sanders vs Trump

[Thunderbird is the word]

would both be over by now

Kasich-McMahon 393
Clinton-Kaine      145

Sanders-Warren 455
Trump-Pence       63
McMahon-Finn     20

[HisGrace]

Your Kasich map is about right, but no way does Sanders win all those red states. He wins a close one, but he's not carrying SC, Georgia, Arizona, exc.

[ProudModerate2]

Both maps are highly off.
Yes the winner would more than likely be Kasich and Sanders, but not with maps that bad.

[DrScholl]

Lol at people still pining for Kasich.

[Fargobison]

Kasich would win, any normal GOP nominee would. Clinton is a horrific candidate, her only saving grace is Trump. I'm not even sure she could beat Cruz at this point.

[heatcharger]

Kasich would win, any normal GOP nominee would. Clinton is a horrific candidate, her only saving grace is Trump. I'm not even sure she could beat Cruz at this point.

Lol bad take. Actually, I think she'd be doing just fine against Cruz, because despite Cruz not having obvious moral shortcomings, he's devoid of any charisma, and plus he doesn't have the same kind of cult of personality that Trump has.

Lol at people still pining for Kasich.

[Fargobison]

Kasich would win, any normal GOP nominee would. Clinton is a horrific candidate, her only saving grace is Trump. I'm not even sure she could beat Cruz at this point.

Lol bad take. Actually, I think she'd be doing just fine against Cruz, because despite Cruz not having obvious moral shortcomings, he's devoid of any charisma, and plus he doesn't have the same kind of cult of personality that Trump has.

Lol at people still pining for Kasich.

Well he isn't running against Obama, he is running against a candidate that also has no charisma.

He is extremely intelligent and had a great ground game. I think he could eek out an election that is probably low turnout. Neither of these people are driving anyone to the polls.

I also think Kasich is a weaker candidate than people realize but he would beat Clinton somewhat comfortably but not by the blowout shown in the other post. I can't see him winning states like WA.

[ApatheticAustrian]

does anyone believe, team hillary, maybe the most talented and ruthless campaign in modern times, wouldn't have been able to unearth endless amounts of OPPO research on a nationally HATED figure like cruz?

[Simfan34]

Kasich would win big-- much bigger than, say, Rubio, who would have been eviscerated in the debates, for starters-- but not that big. Progressives would be demonizing him as a women-hating, minority-loathing, homophobic, plutocratic far-right nutjob, probably trying to convince us that he was EVEN WORSE THAN TRUMP, definitely worse than Romney. I mean, people are painting Trump as anti-gay even though they're pointedly just about the only group he hasn't attacked during this election.

Bloomberg would have run in the second matchup, and all I know is that I'd have voted for him.

[rafta_rafta]

no

[EliteLX]

Kasich's win wouldn't be that drastic, but you can bet your ass he would flush Hillary down the drain and get to 270.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Kasich would not win Washington and Connecticut but he would destroy Hillary and no sanders wouldn't win that big either

[Kingpoleon]

348: John Kasich/Condoleeza Rice
167: Hillary Clinton/Thomas Perez
23: Tilt R

335: Bernie Sanders/Brian Schweitzer - 47.1%
197: Donald Trump/Janice Brewer - 43
6: Evan McMullin/David A. French - 2.0%
Others - 2.5%
95.5

[evergreenarbor]

Kasich v. Clinton:

332 - 206

Sanders v. Trump (no Bloomberg):

327 - 211

Sanders v. Trump (with Bloomberg):

278 - 260

[OSR stands with Israel]

Kasich vs Hillary (Kasich wins 57-42)

Kasich/Martinez 376
Hillary/Warren 162

If its Sanders vs Trump i think Bloomberg runs third party

Sanders/Merkley 377 56%
Trump/Pence 161  43%

[OSR stands with Israel]

Kasich vs Hillary (Kasich wins 57-42)

Kasich/Martinez 376
Hillary/Warren 162

If its Sanders vs Trump i think Bloomberg runs third party

Sanders/Merkley 377 56%
Trump/Pence 161  43%

I hate to break it to you, MH, but if Kasich had somehow won the nomination, a boring milquetoast Wall Streeter like him would have about the same favorability ratings as Hillary does IRL. That doesn't mean that he couldn't/wouldn't win, of course, but him winning by such a massive margin isn't realistic in the least.

same unfavorable lmao. What will they attack him on without looking massively hypocritical.  Hillary at this point would barely i mean barely win against cruz

[Vosem]

Sanders would've been a weaker candidate than Hillary after he was attacked; also, Bloomberg would've ran, and picked up most of the wealthy white East Coast liberals (places like Manhattan and NoVa would've rebelled against Sanders), along probably with attracting the Mormon vote by process of elimination. He would've focused on buttressing a few key states  Sanders would've run stronger with Midwestern whites, and probably no weaker among blacks or Hispanics when all was said and done. It's hard to know just how well he might've done on the East Coast, though.

Trump has 231 EVs; Sanders 218; Bloomberg 6, with 83 being three-way races that are difficult to predict. These states all rejected Sanders by large margins and have decent numbers of urban white liberals who would be very averse to him; if Bloomberg carpets the networks with negative advertising, he could conceivably carry them all. Or the natural lean of the area could see Sanders winning these states anyway. A few of them have high Republican floors, especially DE/NJ, and with the correct vote splits could see Trump winning their EVs (the sort of East Coast suburbanites in places like Montgomery County and Westchester County who normally vote D but occasionally vote for the correct R would desert Sanders for Bloomberg en masse).

So, yeah, the election probably goes to the House. Sanders might still win it narrowly (NY/PA/MD is enough, and he really should carry them all), but it certainly wouldn't be easier than Hillary's defeat of Trump.

[Senator-elect Spark]

Kasich vs. Hillary

Kasich/Rubio- 435 EVs, (58.8%)
Clinton/Kaine- 103 EVs, (42.2%)

Sanders vs. Trump

Sanders/Klobachar- 358 EVs, (52.4%)
Trump/Pence- 167 EVs, (38.3%)
McMullin/Finn- 13 EVs, (10.3%)