How much will the fake email scandal hurt Hillary's poll numbers

[‼realJohnEwards‼]

To call the scandal "fake" is ridiculous.  This is denial at the highest level.

There are lots of whiners here who miss the point.  If Hillary had a government server, as she knew to do, we wouldn't be here.  Period.  But that's not how it played out.  And she attempted to conceal what was on servers; this can't be denied.

If you're disappointed that Donald Trump may well be your next President, here's what you should do.  Go down to the office of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and protest.  Let her know how her going into the tank to clear the path for the nomination of a candidate under FBI investigation when other Democrats not in that position were available to run and able to win and advance the causes they care about.  Out of the literally scores of elected Democrats who could have been credible Presidential candidates, why did they clear the way for a candidate under FBI investigation?  That, by the way, is a question that begs an answer.

We have already discussed the email scandal at length, however, along with the media. Bringing it up again when every f--king voter already knows about it is just dishonest.

[Fuzzy Bear]

To call the scandal "fake" is ridiculous.  This is denial at the highest level.

There are lots of whiners here who miss the point.  If Hillary had a government server, as she knew to do, we wouldn't be here.  Period.  But that's not how it played out.  And she attempted to conceal what was on servers; this can't be denied.

If you're disappointed that Donald Trump may well be your next President, here's what you should do.  Go down to the office of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and protest.  Let her know how her going into the tank to clear the path for the nomination of a candidate under FBI investigation when other Democrats not in that position were available to run and able to win and advance the causes they care about.  Out of the literally scores of elected Democrats who could have been credible Presidential candidates, why did they clear the way for a candidate under FBI investigation?  That, by the way, is a question that begs an answer.

We have already discussed the email scandal at length, however, along with the media. Bringing it up again when every f--king voter already knows about it is just dishonest.

When there's a moratorium on the "Trump's a racist!" irrational rants and the Billy Bush tape, both of which every voter has heard time and again, then I might agree with you.

Hillary's under FBI investigation.  Again.  She's been there for most of her campaign.  This fact seems to cry out for recognition as something unusual; FDR, Nixon, Reagan, and Bill Clinton weren't under FBI investigation when they were running for President.  Such a factor usually puts a prospective candidate on the sidelines.  The fact that Hillary went forward, and the fact that her supporters cleared the Democratic field for her, are truly remarkable events.  They shouldn't be minimized or blown off.  Why the lowering of standards by a political party to push the nomination of a candidate under active FBI investigation with criminal implications?  That IS an ONGOING issue, and a legitimate one.

[Brittain33]

Hillary's under FBI investigation.  Again. 

That was how Jason Chaffetz announced it to the media, but that's not at all clear, actually.

[eric82oslo]

To call the scandal "fake" is ridiculous.  This is denial at the highest level.

There are lots of whiners here who miss the point.  If Hillary had a government server, as she knew to do, we wouldn't be here.  Period.  But that's not how it played out.  And she attempted to conceal what was on servers; this can't be denied.

If you're disappointed that Donald Trump may well be your next President, here's what you should do.  Go down to the office of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and protest.  Let her know how her going into the tank to clear the path for the nomination of a candidate under FBI investigation when other Democrats not in that position were available to run and able to win and advance the causes they care about.  Out of the literally scores of elected Democrats who could have been credible Presidential candidates, why did they clear the way for a candidate under FBI investigation?  That, by the way, is a question that begs an answer.

So to write a few innocent e-mails is the biggest sin in the entire history of this world (even bigger than all of Hitler's entire lithany of sins combined), but to basically ask for the demolition of an entire country of 160 million people (I count every single US Mexican into this figure as well, as they're as much a part of Trump's anti-Mexico rage and hate) is simply peanuts and nothing one should be even the slightest worried about. According to your reasoning. Wiping Mexico off the map wouldn't bother you the least. That's quite sad. Some e-mails which read "Hi dear ambassador. How ya doin'?" however is a singular crime against humanity. Nice to know. Why don't you shoot the zombie Steve Jobs while you're at it, and maybe Al Gore too, who claimed he invented the internet. Since you hate e-mails so much, that's the only logical conclusion.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Hillary's under FBI investigation.  Again. 

That was how Jason Chaffetz announced it to the media, but that's not at all clear, actually.

It's flat out not true

[eric82oslo]

When there's a moratorium on the "Trump's a racist!" irrational rants and the Billy Bush tape, both of which every voter has heard time and again, then I might agree with you.

Trump is proving repeatedly, like more than 20 times (probably more than 100 times to be honest) every single day how utterly racist he is, so how on earth could there ever be a moratorium on this? You're talking out of your ass and you know it. Maybe you should shut your mouth until we can figure out what the heck is going on with you?

[Tender Branson]

Hillary will still win of course, because of CO and VA (those states are not made for Trump).

Probably by 47-44-5-2-1-1

[Erich Maria Remarque]

To call the scandal "fake" is ridiculous.  This is denial at the highest level.

There are lots of whiners here who miss the point.  If Hillary had a government server, as she knew to do, we wouldn't be here.  Period.  But that's not how it played out.  And she attempted to conceal what was on servers; this can't be denied.

If you're disappointed that Donald Trump may well be your next President, here's what you should do.  Go down to the office of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and protest.  Let her know how her going into the tank to clear the path for the nomination of a candidate under FBI investigation when other Democrats not in that position were available to run and able to win and advance the causes they care about.  Out of the literally scores of elected Democrats who could have been credible Presidential candidates, why did they clear the way for a candidate under FBI investigation?  That, by the way, is a question that begs an answer.

So to write a few innocent e-mails is the biggest sin in the entire history of this world (even bigger than all of Hitler's entire lithany of sins combined), but to basically ask for the demolition of an entire country of 160 million people (I count every single US Mexican into this figure as well, as they're as much a part of Trump's anti-Mexico rage and hate) is simply peanuts and nothing one should be even the slightest worried about. According to your reasoning. Wiping Mexico off the map wouldn't bother you the least. That's quite sad. Some e-mails which read "Hi dear ambassador. How ya doin'?" however is a singular crime against humanity. Nice to know. Why don't you shoot the zombie Steve Jobs while you're at it, and maybe Al Gore too, who claimed he invented the internet. Since you hate e-mails so much, that's the only logical conclusion.

Oh, oh, calm down! What's up with those guys from Sweden. Is it because Trump'ish party is again growing despite all the numerous "scandals"

Emails is a legitimate issue. So just let FBI do it's job.

A week ago distrust of system/establishment was a threat against America's Democracy and a sign of dictatorship, wasn't it?

[Simfan34]

I think all this back and forth tells us that people are simply looking for the slightest excuse to vote for Trump.

Hillary will still win of course, because of CO and VA (those states are not made for Trump).

Probably by 47-44-5-2-1-1

Who is the fourth third party? Either way, if she does not take back the House and Senate the next four years will be hell. I have always insisted that if she does not win in a landslide, a genuine landslide, she might as well lose. Only a landslide will give her legitimacy and teach the GOP the lesson it desperately needs to learn by killing off Trumpism. If that doesn't happen, things will only get worse from here. The rhetoric won't go away.

[eric82oslo]

What's up with those guys from Sweden.

I'm not from Sweden, but I wouldn't have minded it if I happened to be. (Many times I wish I were lol.) It just happens so that my country isn't even recognized by this very site. Which isn't all that strange actually, as they only recognize like 21 countries, or perhaps 17 or something like that. I guess it all comes down to laziness and not wanting to admit to one self that the world does in fact contain a few more than around 20 countries or so.

[mark_twain]

I would say a 1% drop in the horse race polls, at most.

[Person Man]

I think all this back and forth tells us that people are simply looking for the slightest excuse to vote for Trump.

That people are dumb narrative? They know he will at least be as as bad as Bush but they want to vote for him because he is the white people version of Dr. Dre and has big screen tvs, blunts, 40s, and bitches.

[Erich Maria Remarque]

The original Comey press conference hurt her by 2 points according to Nate Silver. I dont forsee this doing more damage than that. I actually dont forsee this doing any damage at all.

Back then it was RV polls (that don't take intentions to vote into account), now it is LV polls. It might decrease Dems' turnout and increase Reps'.

Yeah, yeah, I know that early voting has started. But I bet that those who voted early (specially in first days):

a) would vote regardless
b) would vote the same candiate regardless

= they are partisan voters. Mostly.

[eric82oslo]

I think all this back and forth tells us that people are simply looking for the slightest excuse to vote for Trump.

That people are dumb narrative? They know he will at least be as as bad as Bush but they want to vote for him because he is the white people version of Dr. Dre and has big screen tvs, blunts, 40s, and bitches.

The only thing he lacks in fact is the big, fat golden chain. It's so out of his character not to wear it. Everything else in his life is golden after all. I wonder why he didn't change his surname to Bling long ago? It must be somewhat frustrating for him not to be Donald Bling, or at least Donald Golden.

[Person Man]

I think all this back and forth tells us that people are simply looking for the slightest excuse to vote for Trump.

That people are dumb narrative? They know he will at least be as as bad as Bush but they want to vote for him because he is the white people version of Dr. Dre and has big screen tvs, blunts, 40s, and bitches.

The only thing he lacks in fact is the big, fat golden chain. It's so out of his character not to wear it. Everything else in his life is golden after all. I wonder why he didn't change his surname to Bling long ago? It must be somewhat frustrating for him not to be Donald Bling, or at least Donald Golden.

And he should have a golden .45.

[mark_twain]

To call the scandal "fake" is ridiculous.  This is denial at the highest level.

There are lots of whiners here who miss the point.  If Hillary had a government server, as she knew to do, we wouldn't be here.  Period.  But that's not how it played out.  And she attempted to conceal what was on servers; this can't be denied.

If you're disappointed that Donald Trump may well be your next President, here's what you should do.  Go down to the office of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and protest.  Let her know how her going into the tank to clear the path for the nomination of a candidate under FBI investigation when other Democrats not in that position were available to run and able to win and advance the causes they care about.  Out of the literally scores of elected Democrats who could have been credible Presidential candidates, why did they clear the way for a candidate under FBI investigation?  That, by the way, is a question that begs an answer.

Like I said in the other, bigger thread, the extra coverage of the e-mail topic will help serve to discredit the original purpose of the e-mail investigation, and highlight how trivial the entire e-mail controversy actually was.

[PresidentSamTilden]

That people are dumb narrative? They know he will at least be as as bad as Bush but they want to vote for him because he is the white people version of Dr. Dre and has big screen tvs, blunts, 40s, and bitches.

"You know why Trump is gaining voters? He's talking about Big screen tvs, blunts, 40s, and bitches. You're talking about homosexuals and Climate Change. We can't sell this Sh*t! Change the platform, or it's not coming out" -DNC to candidates

[PresidentSamTilden]

I hate to agree with the swedish meatball, but he's got a point. With partisanship this high, enthusiasm is a huge factor. Hillary will probably take a hit in those LV screens.

1/2 her lead seems realistic to me, assuming no other damage stems from it. I hope I'm wrong. But we'll see how it plays out over the next couple days.

[Hermit For Peace]

Enough about the emails!

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

If anything, it has strengthened the core support at both ends.  Unlike the "Access Hollywood" videotape--in which Republicans ran for the woods to hide (and then in their typical slimy way have come back), the Democrats have not broken.  And really--how many true undecideds are left to change the dynamic?  

This is why I think it's going to have very little impact unless it explodes into something different and bigger.

As it is right now, no one who's made up their minds to vote Clinton is going to change them because "moar emailz". The "undecideds" are <10% of the voters, maybe much less by now. And this is going to move only a small fraction of them away from her.

Maaybe it drops her margins by 2%, absolute worst case. More likely, something far worse on Trump comes out after Halloween, and the Nazis are routed.

[ursulahx]

More likely, something far worse on Trump comes out after Halloween, and the Nazis are routed.

Think if something on Trump was going to come out it would have done so by now; but I've been wrong before.

[windjammer]

Nothing
The "storm" has already ended

[ursulahx]

If there's any damage, it's already been done. Clinton seems to be fighting back quite effectively against Comey, but the big bang has already gone off. Whether this'll have any long-term effect, it's still too early to say - which is very frustrating.

[DrScholl]

No one will care and Clinton will still win big.

[ApatheticAustrian]

HRC doesn't lose votes but trump's base is rebounding like mad the last days, if the general trend is to be believed.

will be a clear HRC victory as long as the party registration data isn't misleading to the max.