You should have listened

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Maybe I should post the last three hours of #AtlasForum Chat logs I had the displeasure of seeing and we'll see just who the obsessed cult engaging in mendacious slander is.

But no I won't do that. I don't have to.


You were a great Senator, bore. But you made many mistakes as President. I have never gone out of my way to trash you or attack you simply because I don't think or at least didn't think you goal was to have happened what happened. I thought you made a mistake appointing Al, and I thought districts was a bad idea. But I loved your omnibus repeal bills as Senator to clean up the statute pages.

I have though gone after Oakvale, Talleyrand, Al and others who have in fact engaged in activities that I found destructive (quite literally so with dissolution and secession), far more energetically. It would seem that rather than speak for yourself you are trying to speak for the whole group of IRCultists who cannot seem to let their hatred of me go, and that you are trying to engage in rewriting history to cover their tracks so they can once again peddle their snake oil, "as esteemed elder statesmen" coming to rescue Atlasia from the newbies and others that they consider so inferior and of course from "Atlasia's Hitler" NC Fing Yankee, when in fact their record is one of treason, secession, disunity, elitism and personal obsession that stretches back almost three years now.

It is ironic that you accuse me of going too far to win an election. Adam stirred that nest of hornets to rally votes for Blair, and well I hope he is happy with whatever crap they decide to bring, be it dissolving the Atlasian Govt' (Big ticket movie in #Atlasforum tonight) or whatever else they may have up their sleeve.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

As is usually the case, Labor Presidents are underappreciated until and/or vindicated after the history books are written. Very sad indeed that we never get the heaping praise we deserve.

I agree, DemPGH was a good guy and would have been a great President with a Senate like those of 2012 or even early 2013, instead of the evenly split one with a heavily partisan far left Laborite forcing his administration to be the deciding vote for. This led to the resignation of many of his cabinet in protest, which in turn allowed for the appointment of Sirnick as GM.

But regardless of that, DemPGH himself, or that whole situation with Tyrion, all of that created a massive catastrophe in October 2014. Just like the actions, or in-actions of the bore administration made July 2015 what it was. Labor earned fully what it got for those periods.

Marokai, Nix (early on), and you (Adam) were good Presidents. 3/6 isn't too bad.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Sorry, bore, but you were a bad President in a time we needed an energetic leader.

Remember when we rushed to get you confirmed as (SoIA I think) and Al impeached so that if bore did disappear/resign/get impeached whatever, you would become President.


Good times!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

And, maybe this is only clear to those who have been outside the atlasian bubble for a while, but there are no words for your running mate disqualifying perfectly valid votes to win you the election other than corruption and treachery.

There is no way that attacking a candidate in the voting booth is not campaigning by any traditional definition. You can spin it, you can dive into any kind of historical examples that you want. But it is what it is and the law states that it is grounds for invalidation.

I would point out that Rpryor knocked off several of my voters too, two of which are being sued over as well. Why? Because the law either rightly or wrongly interpreted motivated those actions.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

And, moving onto the facts, though certain people try to deny them, are clear. Before my call for radical reform on July 18th 2015, the Constitutional Convention petition thread had been nigh on abandoned. After, the terms of debate completely shifted, and we got our ConCon. The facts simply speak for themselves.

The terms of the debate were not shifted because of your statements. They were shifted by the mass exodus of players that occurred over the course of that July, leading to myself and others like PiT embracing consolidation as the only viable path forward.

Your statement was regarding as neigh on embrace of dissolution, which the embrace of the Con-Con by various conservative elements was aimed at stopping.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I have always been nothing more and nothing less than my own man. When people like Nix, who I deeply respect, resigned, I could have gone with them, but didn't.  Similarly an ally like Adam can confirm that trying to whip me always fail.

So you didn't go from Franklin Piece to James Buchanan. Congrats!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

honestly, if i were the esteemed former president, i wouldn't bother engaging with injustice yankee at all. dude has never made a valuable argument despite literally living in this game for over a decade.

Wrong.

I made a very valuable argument a year ago to enough sensible people to ensure that Harry Truman was elected as the fifth At-Large Senator and you were not.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

There is no way that attacking a candidate in the voting booth is not campaigning by any traditional definition. You can spin it, you can dive into any kind of historical examples that you want. But it is what it is and the law states that it is grounds for invalidation.

I would point out that Rpryor knocked off several of my voters too, two of which are being sued over as well. Why? Because the law either rightly or wrongly interpreted motivated those actions.

I don't think I should have to point this out to a Supreme Court Justice, but if laws were as obvious as you think they are, you'd be out of a job.

Ironically, I pretty much felt that way for the past four months because of the lack of cases.

The terms of the debate were not shifted because of your statements. They were shifted by the mass exodus of players that occurred over the course of that July, leading to myself and others like PiT embracing consolidation as the only viable path forward.

Your statement was regarding as neigh on embrace of dissolution, which the embrace of the Con-Con by various conservative elements was aimed at stopping.

It's pretty clear that the signatures to the ConCon started happening again at almost straight after my speech. And yes maybe that was because I moved the terms of debate, forcing the right out of its hidebound moderate reform dogma. I make no apologies for that. Although if you'd read the statement and my other ones it would be pretty clear that I regarded dissolution and a successful ConCon as largely the same thing.

You didn't move the terms of the debate on the right, bore. Sawx's ban did more to move the debate among us than you did.

The problem is that bore simply threw the towel when any sign of activity from the top would be of great importance. He didn't cross the line like Nix, but the fact remains he gave up.

Even before the crisis bore was pretty much a lackluster President. When I was the GM I a had very hard time to get him to react to anything (Lumine was very cooperative).

Interesting that you've neglected to mention that your time as GM came to an ignominious end as you were forced by the overwhelming weight of public opinion to resign as GM because you nuked atlasia.

Whose that Crazy Pole destroying the world, its Kal, Crazy Kal.

The blood of the innocent will flow without end, its Kal, Crazy Kal.

Best GM Ever!!!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

honestly, if i were the esteemed former president, i wouldn't bother engaging with injustice yankee at all. dude has never made a valuable argument despite literally living in this game for over a decade.

Wrong.

I made a very valuable argument a year ago to enough sensible people to ensure that Harry Truman was elected as the fifth At-Large Senator and you were not.

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Re: BREAKING: Lee's Army Surrenders at Appomattox « on: April 9, 1865, 11:23:47 pm » My last months as president coincided with a secession crisis, with state after state announcing her departure from the union, the congress hopelessly divided, and the army a mere husk. It was only through my strong leadership, neither resigning and abandoning the union nor endorsing the approach of black Republicans who wished merely to play coy and ignore the impending rupture of our family of states, that brought about a successful war strategy which, while perhaps going on for too long, did bring about the reunion that was necessary.

no further comment necessary

I thought that was funny.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Notice I said, "move the discussion on the right", not change my vote personally.


There was still reluctance after I signed, bore and the mass loss of players from Sawx, to Adam to Snowguy from bans and deregistrations, help push them to try the Con-con.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Notice I said, "move the discussion on the right", not change my vote personally.


There was still reluctance after I signed, bore and the mass loss of players from Sawx, to Adam to Snowguy from bans and deregistrations, help push them to try the Con-con.

The petition was signed before sawx's banning but after my speech by you, jomcar, cinyc, poirot and adam. That's 4 (at the time) very active right wingers and the labor power broker. After the 22nd july but before the 1st of august it was signed by, timturner, marokai, flo, dereich, tony v, texasgurl, clarkkent, newcanadaland, badger, anoton kreitzer, peeperkorn, sanchez and gass.

Of those 4 can be counted as right wingers, with dereich being the only one who was active in the game at the time. The rest were the result of the labor machine swinging behind getting people to sign the petition and were mainly, to put it charitably, zombies. I'm sorry, yankee, but the facts simply do not bear your theory here out.

Prior to the massive number of deregistrations, consolidation was still viewed with hostility, and many thought a convention would fail to achieve anything. Even among those who signed it, many were still opposed to consolidation, which was of course the primary expected proposal at a convention. Perhaps that is what is causing our different interpretation of events with regards to support on the right. The massive loss of players finally encouraged those who had long opposed consolidation to realize it was only answer at that point.

I would also point out that I purposely delayed signing by a week because I was worried that the minute I signed the petition, it would be attacked as "Yankee's little scheme to preserve the status quo" by the dissolution, which was already being tossed around. Avoiding signing it gave the con-con some distance until those critics began to depart.