Which counries would be classified as neither republics nor monarchies?
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« on: November 03, 2016, 04:09:09 PM »

Which countries in the world would be classified as neither republics nor monarchies?

Most countries tend to be one or the other
Republics: USA, France, India, etc.
Monarchies: from the UK to Saudi Arabia

But which count as neither?
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2016, 08:26:37 PM »

The UAE is a federation of seven emirates, which are by themselves monarchies. The president of the UAE is by convention emir of Abu Dhabi, and the prime minister is by convention the emir of Dubai.

Andorra has two co-heads of state: the Roman Catholic bishop of Urgell and the President of France. One is appointed by another head of state, while the other is elected by the people of a foreign country.
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2016, 03:58:22 AM »

France definitely is in between.
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2016, 12:21:17 PM »

Samoa? Although it probably could be called both.
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2016, 05:20:15 PM »

North Korea is an obvious example. It pretends to be a Republic, but it has monarchical rules of succession.
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2016, 09:57:27 PM »

North Korea is an obvious example. It pretends to be a Republic, but it has monarchical rules of succession.

To be fair to North Korea (the only time I'd say that), they've only had three rulers. And they purge all of the other potentially influential/competent folks whenever they can.
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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2016, 08:04:47 AM »

The UAE is a federation of seven emirates, which are by themselves monarchies. The president of the UAE is by convention emir of Abu Dhabi, and the prime minister is by convention the emir of Dubai.

Andorra has two co-heads of state: the Roman Catholic bishop of Urgell and the President of France. One is appointed by another head of state, while the other is elected by the people of a foreign country.

Andorra calls itself a principality, which means that technically, arguably, it would be a monarchy. Although, I agree, de facto it is somewhere between monarchy and republic.

Also add the Vatican, which is somewhat unique
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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2016, 10:27:26 AM »

Though autocratic "Republics" can still be "Republics" in the most liberal use of the word. My understanding of the difference is that the Government in a Republic is run by the interests of the population while a Monarchy is basically someone running a Government on his private property.

I am guessing an example of something "in between" could be something like the UAE or the Vatican. Maybe the Holy Roman Empire was something like that. Where it basically was a collection of city-republics and large-scale private property owners who got together and elected someone who was a "final say" or a representative to the Church. Something of a Chief Legislator, Ambassador, and HoS.
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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2016, 01:35:01 PM »

All countries are either monarchies or republicans. Being a republic simply means not being a monarchy.
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2016, 02:04:28 PM »

The rethoric would say that not all democracies are republics, regardless they're monarchies or not...
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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2016, 05:10:17 PM »

All countries are either monarchies or republicans. Being a republic simply means not being a monarchy.

You mean whether there is a particular person who claims and has legal private ownership of the country, which ownership may pass through his estate as it is legally accepted.
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2016, 06:56:32 PM »

Also add the Vatican, which is somewhat unique
Vatican is without question a monarchy. Its head of state makes no pretense of deriving his (and always will be his) authority from the people. He is elected by a group of men who pray to the Holy Spirit to determine their best choice. And the cardinals are appointed by...previous popes.

Japan's Emperor explicitly has absolutely zero powers according to the post-WW2 constitution. He is purely a symbol of the people's unity and isn't mentioned as head of state. Any reference to government powers being exercised in his name is absolutely taboo.
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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2016, 07:00:10 PM »


I think you misunderstood the question. He was not asking for countries that have neither a presidential nor a parliamentary system.
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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2016, 07:52:32 PM »

idk about you but I think the united states is A Republic, Not A Democracy
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2016, 04:55:38 AM »

Does it matter? France is a republic with a very monarchic style - the presiddent holds large powers and resides in a palace. The UK is a monarchy that behaves more like a republic de facto.
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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2016, 01:41:07 PM »

idk about you but I think the united states is A Republic, Not A Democracy

Etymologically, I'd put it exactly the other way around.
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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2016, 02:24:51 PM »

idk about you but I think the united states is A Republic, Not A Democracy

Etymologically, I'd put it exactly the other way around.

Nathan is alluding to a phrase commonly used following the 2000 election.  Bush supporters used the phrase "a republic, not a democracy" to justify Bush winning the election based on the structural oddities of the U.S. constitutional system, rather than on getting the most votes.
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