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« on: November 07, 2016, 03:08:55 AM »

Looking forward to seeing defenses of this turkey.
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2016, 03:11:55 PM »

I mean, I guess it is rhetorically useful for showing that Antonin Scalia was in effect a cafeteria Catholic of the right, at least at this point in his career. Nobody who actually believed in the sanctity of human life from conception to natural death in any systematic way could possibly react with as much contempt as he did to the idea that it might be an Eighth Amendment violation to execute a demonstrably innocent person, even if his interpretation of the Constitution led him to the legal conclusion that it wasn't.
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2016, 05:55:39 AM »

It's quite ironic what O'Connor wrote in her concurrence: "the execution of a legally and factually innocent person would be a constitutionally intolerable event," while simultaneously voting to make it even harder to prove one's innocence.
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2016, 07:13:14 AM »

It's quite ironic what O'Connor wrote in her concurrence: "the execution of a legally and factually innocent person would be a constitutionally intolerable event," while simultaneously voting to make it even harder to prove one's innocence.
While I suppose one could argue that this was an example of the maxim "bad cases make bad law" one thing that is abundantly clear is that as O'Connor wrote "Petitioner has failed to make a persuasive showing of actual innocence. Not one judge—no state court judge, not the District Court Judge, none of the three judges of the Court of Appeals, and none of the Justices of this Court—has expressed doubt about petitioner's guilt. Accordingly, the Court has no reason to pass on, and appropriately reserves, the question whether federal courts may entertain convincing claims of actual innocence. That difficult question remains open."

Even had a new trial been granted and the new evidence admitted alongside the old, there's no reason to conclude there would be any difference in verdict. The only way there would be is if some of the old evidence could no longer be presented because of the passage of time. Herrera was a justly convicted guilty party.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2016, 08:40:01 AM »

Except, of course, the decision had much wider impact than on Herrera.
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2016, 09:42:04 PM »

In a perfect world we could allow endless appeals and infinite redos, but that costs time and money, Kal.  I'd much rather we spend the effort trying to get it done right to begin with rather than endlessly rehashing the past.  At some point, it has to be said that enuf is enuf.

Texas had and continues to have a system which provides for untimely yet clear and convincing evidence of innocence to be presented. It  It didn't result in saving this murderer's life because the Texas courts ruled, correctly in my opinion, that the evidence was not at all convincing and that has it been presented at the time of the original trial, it would not have changed the result at all. Habeus corpus exists to enable the courts to remedy flaws in the system.  No such flaw was presented in this case.

Now if the system had been shown to be insufficient to enable Herrara to present his evidence, then yes, there would have been a habeus corpus claim to be had here, but only sufficient to force Texas to devise a sufficient system which could then have rejected the dubious affidavits presented by him.
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