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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2016, 11:40:56 AM »

Bill Mitchell has gone berserk about this poll.  He's sent at least 20 tweets attempting to rip it to shreds.  https://twitter.com/mitchellvii

Haha, the irony is that he is doing what Red hacks usually do here. Unskewing subsamples Roll Eyes
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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2016, 12:10:47 PM »

Solid numbers for KILL-LIAR-Y!
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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2016, 02:25:55 PM »

538 gonna put this poll in and drop HRC chances, aren't they?!

To the contrary, it actually somehow magically increased her nation-wide likelihood by a full 2% (biggest shift in the last three days) and flipped three states to her. Just as weird, if you ask me.
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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2016, 03:52:38 PM »

under age 35: Clinton +18
age 35-54: Trump +8
age 55+: Clinton +6

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For the 35-54 to fit that, the 35 - 45 group in this poll would really need to be only modestly Democratic with the rest being heavily Republican.

The 55+ might fit if the silent generation has dwindled quite a bit and the older, more Democratic boomers now voting more than the others.

What's going on there?


I don't know.  Is it an outlier?  Their previous poll also showed Trump doing best among those age 35-54:

under age 35: Clinton +16
age 35-54: Trump +17
age 55+: Clinton +7

In contrast, here are the age crosstabs in other recent national polls:

McClatchy/Marist:

age 18-29: Clinton +17
age 30-44: Clinton +8
age 45-59: Trump +8
age 60+: Trump +5

Yougov:

under 30: Clinton +46
30-44: Clinton +9
45-64: Trump +5
65+: Trump +23

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« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2016, 05:11:53 PM »

So she's really up by 7 then? Fabulous!
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« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2016, 05:16:02 PM »

So she's really up by 7 then? Fabulous!
Fox News actually doesn't manipulate their polls, they had Obama winning last election.
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« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2016, 05:20:30 PM »

under age 35: Clinton +18
age 35-54: Trump +8
age 55+: Clinton +6

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For the 35-54 to fit that, the 35 - 45 group in this poll would really need to be only modestly Democratic with the rest being heavily Republican.

The 55+ might fit if the silent generation has dwindled quite a bit and the older, more Democratic boomers now voting more than the others.

What's going on there?


I don't know.  Is it an outlier?  Their previous poll also showed Trump doing best among those age 35-54:

under age 35: Clinton +16
age 35-54: Trump +17
age 55+: Clinton +7


Followup to the above: Looks like Monmouth uses the same age categories, and here's what they have:

age 18-34: Clinton +27
age 35-54: Clinton +4
age 55+: Clinton +1
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« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2016, 07:56:24 PM »

I don't know.  Is it an outlier?  Their previous poll also showed Trump doing best among those age 35-54:

30-44 tends to state her support among that group better I suppose. Democrats have done very well with young voters since the early-mid 90s and their support has not really undergone a fundamental shift since then even as they aged. But when they do 35 - 54, that includes a large range of more Republican age groups that drags the overall Democratic support quite a bit.

Still for a T+8 among 35-54 seems a bit heavy for Trump given what kind of voters inhabit the 35-44 range there. And the +6 Clinton support among 55+ is seems strange for a +4 national poll.

I guess we'll see what happens tomorrow. I'm more inclined to think these age groups won't actually vote quite like that if the race is of a similar margin.
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« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2016, 08:26:08 PM »

Bigger lead than in her last pre-Comey poll? Very good.
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