Trump and Working Class Whites

[Person Man]

I have noticed that Trump does have an obsession with being a would be royal. He has a lion logo on a lot of his things and always talks about having good "breeding". The people who tend to vote for him seem like they would work as villiens for a manor lord hundreds of years ago, who would in term fight for a king. It also seems that there is this sense vassalage and warrior culture amongst his more Scots-Irish supporters in places like Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio, and West Virginia.

  Do you think there is a certain desire to bring back the Feudal System in order to bring forth a more "natural" social order (at least natural to Europeans for the last 1500 years plus however it existed in Late Roman Times minus the time it took to reestablish local/regional order in the Dark Ages) as opposed to the artificial and chafing one that liberal republican bureaucracy has brought amongst him and his supporters?

[Cassius]

I don't think so no - this would also be rather a curious development given that the Scots-Irish were historically some of the most anti-monarchical people in the United States (which isn't surprising given their history, particularly how many of them arrived in America in the first place).

[Person Man]

Was there any alliegence to people below the crown? Weren't they a tribal people?

[Maxwell]

Trump's voters aren't "working class". They're non-college educated middle class voters, and polls show that every time.

[Ebsy]

Since when did high school educated mean working class?

[Meclazine for Israel]

That has nothing to do with politics.

The issue you are talking about is real and is associated with wealth and wealth raising.

When it comes to raising large sums of money, Trump is using the tried and tested royal symbols to demonstrate stability and strength.

But he would have introduced this type of Trump branding a long time ago.

[Person Man]

That has nothing to do with politics.

The issue you are talking about is real and is associated with wealth and wealth raising.

When it comes to raising large sums of money, Trump is using the tried and tested royal symbols to demonstrate stability and strength.

But he would have introduced this type of Trump branding a long time ago.

So it works with voters as well as onvestors?

Trump's voters aren't "working class". They're non-college educated middle class voters, and polls show that every time.

So they are yeoman, not peasants?

[Erich Maria Remarque]

Trump's voters aren't "working class". They're non-college educated middle class voters, and polls show that every time.

It is correlated.

Nate Cohn, after Selzer Iowa T+7

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IDK, you two probably use different definitions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/upshot/why-the-election-is-close-and-what-trump-and-obama-have-in-common.html

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[White Trash]

You are reading way too much into this.

[ApatheticAustrian]

in austria and germany, far right-wing's real backbone is the fearful lower middle-class....which is still not really poor and not totally uneducated.

you need to own something to fear losing it.

[Person Man]

in austria and germany, far right-wing's real backbone is the fearful lower middle-class....which is still not really poor and not totally uneducated.

you need to own something to fear losing it.

Are there a lot of towns where a lot of people hit rock bottom and have totally given up and encourages the next rung up to vote against their interests because those below them are subsidized even more and worse, disproportionally by them? And when funding gets cut for their jobs and their stuff is offshored (what company will stay here if they are being charged a 35% tariff to have a global supply chain?), they just eventually get become indigent disabled addicts, too

[pbrower2a]

White working-class people?

They used to be the core support of New Deal pols like Harry S. Truman and Hubert Humphrey.

Most of the 'ethnic' whites (Irish, Polish, Italian, Portuguese, French-Canadian) have joined the American middle class and have concerns very different from collective bargaining. The white working class of WASP origin in the Mountain and Deep South has gotten practically nothing from the political Establishment since the New Deal (collective bargaining -- and that is being lost, rural electrification).

To be in the classes that the late Paul Fussell called 'low proles' (basically laborers) or the 'mid-proles' (basically machine operators) has implied being stepped on or kicked (choose your metaphor) in America, finding one's living standards declining, one's economic security vanishing, and one's culture derided. Democrats have won the non-white, non-Anglo, non-Christian, and non-straight parts of the middle class... and Democratic appeals to cultural diversity celebrate the disparate origins of the non-white, non-Anglo, non-Christian, and non-straight parts of the middle class, and not the traditions of white rural folk.

Donald Trump appeals to the cultures of the white Mountain South and Deep South by sharing its vulgarity and telling people what they believe but dare not say. Sure, he's a crass demagogue, probably the worst that America has seen get this far. He has found scapegoats for the failures of undereducated white people to get ahead in life (successful people unlike themselves in culture and appearance), and has not been afraid to exploit religious and ethnic bigotry.

Donald Trump is America's Slobodan Milosevic.   

[TDantuono]

This working class white male voted for Clinton. I'm voting with mine and my fellow Americans' interests in mind, not with hate. I don't know if Hillary will do much for me personally, but, 'the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few - or the one.'

[Bandit3 the Worker]

If working-class whites in Kentucky support Trump so much, why did I just vote against him?

All the Trump support I see here is from the rich.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Nate Cohn, after Selzer Iowa T+7

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A very strange thing to write as although Iowa is very white it is by no measure particularly working class. But in its way quite a revealing error.

[RINO Tom]

If working-class whites in Kentucky support Trump so much, why did I just vote against him?

All the Trump support I see here is from the rich.

Mind blown.

[Person Man]

If working-class whites in Kentucky support Trump so much, why did I just vote against him?

All the Trump support I see here is from the rich.

Mind blown.

Maybe actual workers are voting for Hillary and those who want to be managers or push out their own shingle will go for Trump?

[Desroko]

in austria and germany, far right-wing's real backbone is the fearful lower middle-class.

...sounds familiar.

[Person Man]

in austria and germany, far right-wing's real backbone is the fearful lower middle-class.

...sounds familiar.

The peasantry