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« Reply #350 on: November 08, 2016, 03:34:40 PM »

So... I'm confused. Those maps were just the election day vote, without the early vote taken into consideration? That would be bad for Trump.
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« Reply #351 on: November 08, 2016, 03:34:57 PM »



Right?!?!?!

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« Reply #352 on: November 08, 2016, 03:36:23 PM »


At this point it's fair to say that this model is quite bearish on Clinton in NV, and quite bullish in FL. Again, this all needs to be taken with huge grains of salt and skepticism.
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« Reply #353 on: November 08, 2016, 03:37:10 PM »

So... I'm confused. Those maps were just the election day vote, without the early vote taken into consideration? That would be bad for Trump.

Who knows. They seem to be really screwing this up for the big debut of their model.
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« Reply #354 on: November 08, 2016, 03:37:34 PM »


Yes. When you have a small subgroup that is way overconcentrated in some particular way, you will get weird results. It works by averaging things out, so it will be most accurate on larger scales and for larger groups.
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« Reply #355 on: November 08, 2016, 03:37:47 PM »

The maps aren't right and should be disregarded until they state that they have been fixed.
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« Reply #356 on: November 08, 2016, 03:39:09 PM »


At this point it's fair to say that this model is quite bearish on Clinton in NV, and quite bullish in FL. Again, this all needs to be taken with huge grains of salt and skepticism.

It is pretty strange. I though that NV Hispanics would be underestimated much more than in FL. But so far it is other way around...
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« Reply #357 on: November 08, 2016, 03:40:23 PM »


At this point it's fair to say that this model is quite bearish on Clinton in NV, and quite bullish in FL. Again, this all needs to be taken with huge grains of salt and skepticism.

It is pretty strange. I though that NV Hispanics would be underestimated much more than in FL. But so far it is other way around...
Remember, the model takes polls into account with their estimates.
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« Reply #358 on: November 08, 2016, 03:42:21 PM »

It's not entirely clear what the model as actually modeling at this point.
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« Reply #359 on: November 08, 2016, 03:43:03 PM »


At this point it's fair to say that this model is quite bearish on Clinton in NV, and quite bullish in FL. Again, this all needs to be taken with huge grains of salt and skepticism.

It is pretty strange. I though that NV Hispanics would be underestimated much more than in FL. But so far it is other way around...
Remember, the model takes polls into account with their estimates.

I know, but I assumed that since they used voter file, they'd get much better result in reaching all groups. If they are really from Obama team.
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« Reply #360 on: November 08, 2016, 03:44:12 PM »


At this point it's fair to say that this model is quite bearish on Clinton in NV, and quite bullish in FL. Again, this all needs to be taken with huge grains of salt and skepticism.

It is pretty strange. I though that NV Hispanics would be underestimated much more than in FL. But so far it is other way around...
Remember, the model takes polls into account with their estimates.

I know, but I assumed that since they used voter file, they'd get much better result in reaching all groups. If they are really from Obama team.
Wait, I thought they said it was similar to Obama's data operation, not his actual model.
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« Reply #361 on: November 08, 2016, 03:44:16 PM »

Why are we still discussing this piece of garbage?

Any leaks of exit polls yet?
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« Reply #362 on: November 08, 2016, 03:50:23 PM »

Why are we still discussing this piece of garbage?

Any leaks of exit polls yet?

They're literally locked in a room until 5PM. Any leaks should be considered fake.
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« Reply #363 on: November 08, 2016, 03:51:02 PM »

This is probably garbage but based on current position I would estimate that Trump would probably win NV (down only 7k counting early), OH (down only 30K), and IA (down 20K).  Almost certainly lose FL and WI.  Lean toward losing NH and PA but not certain by any stretch.
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« Reply #364 on: November 08, 2016, 03:52:16 PM »

Wait, I thought they said it was similar to Obama's data operation, not his actual model.

I didn't say it. Just that some of them were from Obama's team.
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« Reply #365 on: November 08, 2016, 03:52:41 PM »

I think we can safely say that the big loser of election 2016 is this forecasting model.

Can't wait for 5 PM.
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« Reply #366 on: November 08, 2016, 03:53:06 PM »

Why are we still discussing this piece of garbage?

Any leaks of exit polls yet?

They're literally locked in a room until 5PM. Any leaks should be considered fake.

So, in just an hour or hour and a half, we will get the FIRST REAL NUMBERS of this election. Smiley
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« Reply #367 on: November 08, 2016, 03:56:19 PM »

Why are we still discussing this piece of garbage?

Any leaks of exit polls yet?

They're literally locked in a room until 5PM. Any leaks should be considered fake.

So, in just an hour or hour and a half, we will get the FIRST REAL NUMBERS of this election. Smiley

Well, it'll still be just a poll. The first real numbers come after 6 PM.
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« Reply #368 on: November 08, 2016, 03:56:35 PM »

              Clinton's lead in thousands    Obama's lead      ~% counted (deleted)
Florida       +278                                +84                            Huh                    
Iowa          +19                                  +92                            Huh                                
Newada      +7                                    +68                            Huh                                
NH             +16                                  +39                            Huh
Ohio           +29                                  +166                          Huh
PA              +103                                +309                           Huh
Wi              +149                                 +213                          Huh
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« Reply #369 on: November 08, 2016, 03:56:57 PM »

Pennsylvania: C+3
Clinton 48%
Trump 45%

Florida: C+3
Clinton 48%
Trump 45%

Colorado: C+2
Clinton 46%
Trump 44%

Iowa: T+1
Clinton 45%
Trump 46%

Nevada: C+1
Clinton 46%
Trump 45%

Ohio: T+1
Clinton 45%
Trump 46%

Wisconsin: C+5
Clinton 48%
Trump 43%

New Hampshire: C+4
Clinton 47%
Trump 43%
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« Reply #370 on: November 08, 2016, 03:57:56 PM »

Well, it'll still be just a poll. The first real numbers come after 6 PM.
Exactly!
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« Reply #371 on: November 08, 2016, 04:00:18 PM »

Why are we still discussing this piece of garbage?

Any leaks of exit polls yet?

They're literally locked in a room until 5PM. Any leaks should be considered fake.

So, in just an hour or hour and a half, we will get the FIRST REAL NUMBERS of this election. Smiley

Well, it'll still be just a poll. The first real numbers come after 6 PM.

I know. Smiley But, those poll numbers will be more reliable than this "projections".
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« Reply #372 on: November 08, 2016, 04:00:48 PM »

Pennsylvania: C+3
Clinton 48%
Trump 45%

Florida: C+3
Clinton 48%
Trump 45%

Colorado: C+2
Clinton 46%
Trump 44%

Iowa: T+1
Clinton 45%
Trump 46%

Nevada: C+1
Clinton 46%
Trump 45%

Ohio: T+1
Clinton 45%
Trump 46%

Wisconsin: C+5
Clinton 48%
Trump 43%

New Hampshire: C+4
Clinton 47%
Trump 43%

Which would mean:
http://www.270towin.com/maps/wOZZQ

Where are these numbers from? Are they projections for end-of-day, or the current state?
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« Reply #373 on: November 08, 2016, 04:01:55 PM »

I've been telling people this every election, but...

1. Early exits are absolutely terrible
2. Adjusted exits pegged to the final vote are not particularly good

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« Reply #374 on: November 08, 2016, 04:02:28 PM »

I have a great feeling these live data numbers are junk products of a wishy washy model, lol.
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