Clinton Dem Primary Voters - Do you take responsibility for Trump?

[Shadows]

This was well know among everyone outside the core Dem circles that she was highly unelectable -

Look at core polls -

Dishonest/Liar
Doesn't care about me
Poor in polls about the economy vs a guy like Trump
Horrible record - NAFTA, TPP, Iraq War, Libya disaster
Email Scandal - Private Server with classified email - How can someone with this kind of blunder be running
Clinton Foundation Scandal - Undisclosed donations, donations from Qatar, Saudi with simulate-nous arms sales (huge conflict of interest), poor usage of funds (ex-  private usage)

Most of all she can inspire no-one - She was a log of wood with no appeal  - A flawed strategy with banking on an anti-Trump message.

The writing was on the wall!

You chose her on the electability argument & the Clinton Brand name - The most unelectable Dem candidate in recent history.

Do you people take personal responsibility for the election of Trump? Do you feel you are to be blamed for a Trump presidency? Of all people, Clinton had to be chosen in anti-establishment, change, anti-Clinton year

[Xing]

I voted for Sanders in the primary, but the people responsible for Trump are the people that didn't vote for Hillary. All of them.

[Shadows]

I voted for Sanders in the primary, but the people responsible for Trump are the people that didn't vote for Hillary. All of them.

Why is a rust belt White man obligated to vote for Hillary? Why is the woman whose questions was leaked in CNN Debate obligated to vote for Hillary?

The economy is a mess - Obamacare's premiums are exploding - They want jobs & an okay life - Not someone who flip flops on TPP.

Why do you feel entitled to their vote? Trump energized his base.

Why could Hillary not energize her base? Why did Hillary have so much baggage?

[Kleine Scheiße]

They should. It is entirely their fault.

EDIT JULY 19 2019: This was stupid. This is an absolutely ridiculous post made in anger and fear. I apologize.

[Xing]

Because Trump is a mad man, and sometimes, you have to swallow your pride, and vote for a candidate who isn't perfect, but who can get the job done, at least to stop the least qualified and prepared candidate in history from winning. People who turned their nose up at Hillary have no right to complain about Trump, since they left it for other people to decide.

[Shadows]

Because Trump is a mad man, and sometimes, you have to swallow your pride, and vote for a candidate who isn't perfect, but who can get the job done, at least to stop the least qualified and prepared candidate in history from winning. People who turned their nose up at Hillary have no right to complain about Trump, since they left it for other people to decide.

That is not disputable & your message is suited for hardcore Dems - Can you run a GE campaign based on the other candidate only being bad?

This is an insensitive attitude & a feeling of entitlement of votes. Why would a Rust Belt Independent White Male vote for Hillary to keep Trump out? He is more concerned about who will be better for his job!

You have to realize that Hillary is equally hated & polarizing among the right. So in the end it boils down to independents & how well you energize your base - And on both counts Trump was the superior candidate!

[Hermit For Peace]

Trump voters are responsible for Trump winning.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Absolutely not.

Bernie had, like, squat appeal to minorities because he hasn't put in the years working with those communities "on the ground."

Honestly, this is what I dread the most: the "Bernie would have won" sh-t. First, we really don't know that. Second, Hillary treated him with kid gloves because she understood the dynamics of the cycle and knew she couldn't afford to isolate his coalition. Trump would have smeared him in ways you couldn't even imagine. Third, his coalition was quite narrow—he lost the primary and couldn't lock down the Democratic base. Fourth, Donald Trump tapped into something unsettling but profound; it would've happened anyway. Fifth... winning is important, but so is actually being able to make the change you promise. We are now, it seems, collectively of a "post-policy mindset" that has no way of ending well. Hillary was disconnected from the popular wave, sure, but she actually presented incremental changes that might have had a chance of getting implemented in a system that really is only able to work incrementally. That will matter again if the thin veneer of Trump's "competence" ever collapses (this will mostly come down to Paul Ryan).

So... I'm not sold on the Bernie thing. Trump was a good fit for the American electorate. It's unfortunate, but seems to be the reality. I will never, ever, ever put this on Hillary.

[Shadows]

I agree with the idea that it is impossible to predict what would happen - My question is on the premise any Sensible Democrat would have likely beaten Trump!

There are some factural inaccuracies though - Bernie's coalition was much broader for the GE because he had more millennial support, stronger among whites, as good among hispanics, INCREDIBLY strong among independents & an appeal to Rust Belt people! This was IMO beyond Hillary's Democratic core base which any guy from Atlas can also get!

The kid gloves argument isn't true because we had Questions leaking to Hillary, 6 Debates when no1 sees them, collusion with media, Media blackout of Bernie, 500 Super-Delegates locked on. Large part of the attacks were done by surrogates like McCaskill who hammered Bernie on socialism (called him a communist indirectly), the media (with leaks to News organization - articles prepared by Washington Post or NY Times).

She took the high ground & had an incredibly big set of people doing the dirty work for her. And neither did Bernie engage on personal attacks.

Only place where Bernie lost was Black people who would vote 85% or 88% or 92% for any Democratic nominee

[elcorazon]

not at all

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

They absolutely should.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

In retrospect, I was wrong to be sceptical of Sanders to the extent I treated the Democratic primary as an irrelevant distraction. I allowed myself to be swept up in the comfy world of Vox technocratic liberalism while forgeting how elections are truly won, and overlooking Clinton's serious flaws as a candidate.

So yes, even though I'm not a citizen; I feel angry at myself for allowing this disaster candidate into the general.

[Illiniwek]

Certainly not as much responsibility as the people who voted for him and the Republicans who let him win his primary, but I take a certain amount of responsibility for putting forward a worse candidate in Clinton.

[skoods]

Um no. I blame the morons that voted for trump.

This is like, after a woman is abused by her husband, blaming the person who set them up. It's asinine. The people to blame are the ones who voted for him.

[Grumpier Than Thou]

Bernie had, like, squat appeal to minorities because he hasn't put in the years working with those communities "on the ground."