There's actually some pretty astonishing results beyond the "omfg Trump won"
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« on: November 09, 2016, 04:46:31 AM »
« edited: November 09, 2016, 04:53:43 AM by Nichlemn »

Ohio and Iowa were ~8-9 point wins for Trump, similar to... Texas, which really does seem like a viable Democratic target for 2020 and beyond.

Remember when Missouri was a swing state? Trump won it by a greater margin (albeit a smaller vote %) then Mississippi.

Who would have thought Orange County, CA, would vote D for the first time by a comfortable margin, in a nationwide loss?

Elliott County, KY, the home of the Democrats' longest winning streak, went to Trump. It wasn't surprising given the trends, but the margin... 70% to 26%!

Post other shockers here.
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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2016, 04:48:05 AM »
« Edited: November 09, 2016, 04:50:17 AM by 5280 »

GOP president winning without CO and NV in 108 years. Las Animas county in CO (Trinidad) voting GOP first time since 1972, Ohio voting to the right of Arizona.
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2016, 04:50:55 AM »

Trump did very well in Native American counties out west.

Hispanics in New Mexico were not Hillary fans, and many apparently voted for Johnson.

North Dakota swung hard right.
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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2016, 04:52:47 AM »

NC voting rightwards of FL and VA a second time.
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2016, 04:52:52 AM »

Another one...

Arapahoe county voted more D than Adams county. Adams county trend R, while the other Denver metro counties trend D.
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2016, 05:00:51 AM »
« Edited: November 09, 2016, 05:03:26 AM by vileplume »

The amount of counties Trump has won or looks likely to win in the supposedly super liberal New England is mindboggling:

Washington, ME
Aroostook, ME
Penobscot, ME
Piscataquis, ME
Somerset, ME
Franklin, ME
Kennebec, ME
Androscoggin, ME
Oxford, ME
Coos, NH
Carroll, NH
Belknap, NH
Sullivan, NH
Rockingham, NH
Essex, VT
Kent, RI
Windham, CT
Litchfield, CT

Upstate New York is a similar story...
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2016, 05:01:16 AM »


Who would have thought Orange County, CA, would vote D for the first time by a comfortable margin, in a nationwide loss?

I'm surprised that Riverside County is closer than OC
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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2016, 05:09:05 AM »

How about this one: Florida was actually close and don't tell me that we all didn't think that it was over if Clinton won it. However, in the end, Florida was not decisive. Think about that for a minute: Trump would have won WITHOUT FLORIDA. How freakin' crazy is that? The map overall really played us. Trump was superstrong in the midwest/rustbelt just like he said he would be.
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2016, 05:13:10 AM »

How about this one: Florida was actually close and don't tell me that we all didn't think that it was over if Clinton won it. However, in the end, Florida was not decisive. Think about that for a minute: Trump would have won WITHOUT FLORIDA. How freakin' crazy is that? The map overall really played us. Trump was superstrong in the midwest/rustbelt just like he said he would be.


I had this. Obviously he needed PA too, since he didn't win Colorado (and might not win NH).

If Trump destroys Hillary on TPP, Ohio and Michigan could vote for him before Florida.

Yes, but those two might not be enough without Florida.

True. Here's a 269-269 tie map. It's possible for Hillary to win FL, PA, and VA and still lose.


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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2016, 05:22:18 AM »
« Edited: November 09, 2016, 07:21:58 AM by eric82oslo »

As of right now, this is the ranking of the states from most Democratic to most Republican:

(D.C.: Clinton +88.7%)
1. Hawaii: C +32.2%
2. Vermont: C +28.5%
3. California: C +28.3%
4. Massachusetts: C +27.6%
5. Maryland: C +25.2%
6. New York: C +21.2%
7. Washington: C +18.7%
8. Illinois: C +16.0%
9. Rhode Island: C +14.6%
10. New Jersey: C +12.8%

11. Connecticut: C +12.4%
12. Delaware: C +11.5%
13. Oregon: C +10.2%
14. New Mexico: C +8.3%
15. Virginia: C +4.7%
16. Maine: C +3.0%
17. Colorado: C +2.6%
18. Nevada: C +2.4%
19. Minnesota: C +1.4%
20. New Hampshire: Trump +0.1%

21. Michigan: T +0.3%
22. Wisconsin: T +1.0%
23. Pennsylvania: T +1.1% (tipping point state)
24. Florida: T +1.4%
25. North Carolina: T +3.8%

26. Arizona: T +4.2%
27. Georgia: T +5.7%
28. Ohio: T +8.6%
29. Texas: T +9.1%
30. Iowa: T +9.4%

31. South Carolina: T +15.6%
32. Alaska: T +15.7%
33. Utah: T +16.9%
34. Mississippi: T +18.2%
35. Missouri: T +19.1%
36. Indiana: T +19.3%
37. Louisiana: T +19.7%
38. Kansas: T +21.9%
39. Montana: T +23.1%
40. Tennessee: T +26.2%

41. Arkansas: T +26.6%
42. Nebraska: T +27.2%
43. Alabama: T +28.3%
44. Idaho: T +30.1%
45. Kentucky: T +29.8%
45. South Dakota: T +29.8%
47. North Dakota: T +36.3%
48. Oklahoma: T +36.4%
49. West Virginia: T +42.2%
50. Wyoming: T +47.6%

Pennsylvania is currently projected to be the tipping point state, though there's virtually no difference between Pennsylvania and Wisconsin at the moment.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2016, 05:24:07 AM »

What's funny is Ohio is almost more GOP than Texas.
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2016, 05:27:15 AM »

What's funny is Ohio is almost more GOP than Texas.

Hillary had a lower percentage in Iowa than either of those.
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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2016, 05:29:42 AM »

All the marijuana propositions passed I do believe.  Hopefully Trump ends the War on Drugs too!
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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2016, 05:31:09 AM »


Who would have thought Orange County, CA, would vote D for the first time by a comfortable margin, in a nationwide loss?

I'm surprised that Riverside County is closer than OC

I'm not. And it really shouldn't be if you believed the polling consistently showing her doing much better in SD/OC than the Inland Empire.
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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2016, 05:31:44 AM »

All the marijuana propositions passed I do believe.  Hopefully Trump ends the War on Drugs too!

Don't bet on it. He doesn't even drink.

More marijuana and more money for the poor (higher minimum wages), those are the two only positive outcomes of this election.
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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2016, 05:37:11 AM »

I'm afraid of thinking what could happen if not Pussytape?

Trump would have additional ~10% among women. He'd win popular vote and get >350 EC and totally embarrass TN Volunteer and his angry women...
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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2016, 05:39:40 AM »

The amount of counties Trump has won or looks likely to win in the supposedly super liberal New England is mindboggling:

Washington, ME
Aroostook, ME
Penobscot, ME
Piscataquis, ME
Somerset, ME
Franklin, ME
Kennebec, ME
Androscoggin, ME
Oxford, ME
Coos, NH
Carroll, NH
Belknap, NH
Sullivan, NH
Rockingham, NH
Essex, VT
Kent, RI
Windham, CT
Litchfield, CT

Upstate New York is a similar story...

And Eastern IA/Driftless ILL, West WI etc.  Sam Spade and I discussed this on AAD back in January, that Trump could resurrect as a GOP demographic what are now secular, working class voters in these various areas.

It is an odd coalition to combine massive Evangelical support with the secular "Simpsons demographic" to produce a winning combination. Reagan was the last one to put that together and since then it has been downhill for the GOP among the latter group (simultaneous with the loss of secular upscale suburbanites). Trump's nationalist economic message is more appealing to those voters be it infrastructure, trade skepticism etc, then binge drinking neo-liberalism/libertarianism. Heretofore the GOP did not have anything to offer these voters, because on social issues, religion has rapidly declined among this group in the 20th century. They are historically skeptical of foreign intervention (think Robert Taft) and on economics the GOP operated as if it was nation of just small business owners. Prior to Reagan you had the pro-infrastructure of Ike, historic Trade protectionism from the GOP's founding, and so forth that provided an economic argument that appealed to these voters.

Trump is the first time in decades that a GOP candidate has rather than trying to assert some theoretical template recreating Reagan verbatim, Trump went to these voters where they are. They hate Washington, they hate corruption, they hate war, they think trade has destroyed their jobs/schools (lack of tax base), without doing much to help them at all except promise more instability (Bank deregulation, etc), wars and corruption. Trump gave them a sledge hammer and they slammed it into D.C.

So the GOP is winning many counties it has not won since the 1980's.


That said, this election would not have been possibly without strong support from traditional elements of the GOP coalition including Evangelicals. Mike Pence I think was key to offering up that message because Trump needed trusted messenger and it just so happened that the vacancy on the Supreme Court provided the perfect wedge issue for Pence to get them out to the polls with. It is probably likely that if Scalia were alive, Clinton would be President. Perhaps those who were dancing on his grave last winter, will consider that fact. Mike Pence was also probably one of the most politically consequential VP picks in history.
            
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2004    23%             78%
2012    26%             78%
2016    26%             81%  

This is probably the peak of Evangelical voting power in the US.

Candidate quality only matters if one candidate is flawed. Both were. Issues trumped candidate  quality and cultural identity/class while it can trump issues, is most forcefully demonstrated when they go together. Evengelicals-Court, Secular WWC - Trade.
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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2016, 05:52:52 AM »

All the marijuana propositions passed I do believe.  Hopefully Trump ends the War on Drugs too!

Don't bet on it. He doesn't even drink.

More marijuana and more money for the poor (higher minimum wages), those are the two only positive outcomes of this election.

Do people really believe that nonsense?
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« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2016, 05:54:42 AM »

Somehow, all of the trends in the polls wound up super-exaggerated. We won counties like Orange, Gwinnett, Cobb, etc. and still lost. This is disappointing...
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« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2016, 06:08:28 AM »

All the marijuana propositions passed I do believe.  Hopefully Trump ends the War on Drugs too!

Don't bet on it. He doesn't even drink.

More marijuana and more money for the poor (higher minimum wages), those are the two only positive outcomes of this election.

Do people really believe that nonsense?

??

They've voted for it in 8 or 9 states now by a wide margin, and a majority of them in deep red Republican states. Haven't you been following? Higher minimum wage is usually winning a majority of Republican voters in most states.
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« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2016, 06:09:21 AM »

15. Virginia: C +4.7%
16. Maine: C +3.0%
17. Colorado: C +2.6%
18. Nevada: C +2.4%
19. Minnesota: C +1.2%
20. New Hampshire: Trump +0.1%

21. Michigan: T +0.3%
22. Wisconsin: T +1.0%
23. Pennsylvania: T +1.1% (tipping point state)
24. Florida: T +1.4%
25. North Carolina: T +3.8%

26. Arizona: T +4.6%
27. Georgia: T +5.7%
28. Ohio: T +8.6%
29. Texas: T +9.2%
30. Iowa: T +9.4%

Absolutely NOBODY would have called this ordering of the swing states before the election. Noone. If somebody had done so they would have been called out for being a crack-smoking loon.
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« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2016, 06:12:04 AM »

I'm more shocked, just to see this happen after things looked good to begin with. It's like, the cushion in FL was supposed to come in... and then it just didn't.
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« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2016, 06:14:16 AM »

Fascinating bit of information to me: Between 92 and 2012, the five Trump "conquests" of PA, OH, MI, WI, and IA had voted for a Democratic presidential candidate 27 out of 30 times. Quite something for a Republican to get these states, particularly the white whale of Pennsylvania.
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« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2016, 06:16:17 AM »

Ohio by 9% more. whoa
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« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2016, 06:45:57 AM »

Clinton has now taken the popular vote lead by some 35,000. Mostly thanks to her leading California by almost 2.4 million.
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