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« on: November 10, 2016, 07:54:22 PM »

This nutcase is back...

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/796864564520423429
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2016, 08:00:18 PM »

like someone wrote on twitter....

he would really stick it to those out-of-touch neocons!
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2016, 08:28:38 PM »

Excellent.  John Bolton is exactly what is needed at State right now.

The fact that the "let's give Iran $1.7 billion dollars and let's spurn Israel" crowd will go bonkers over this news confirms the wisdom of it.
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2016, 08:31:17 PM »

Excellent.  John Bolton is exactly what is needed at State right now.

The fact that the "let's give Iran $1.7 billion dollars and let's spurn Israel" crowd will go bonkers over this news confirms the wisdom of it.

i can live with that (to be expected from average republican) but i guess trump's foreign policy fans would be shocked.
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2016, 08:34:41 PM »

Robert Smith Walker actually has a reputation as being fairly moderate. I wonder how he got roped into this.
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2016, 08:54:57 PM »

But wait according to people on this forum Trump is a dove and was against the Iraq war?
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2016, 09:11:12 PM »

Let's spend more money on the military and let the Rust Belt towns who put us in power continue to rust! Dumbass white peasants! At least they'll prove useful in dying for whatever war we'll start.
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2016, 09:17:02 PM »

Excellent.  John Bolton is exactly what is needed at State right now.

The fact that the "let's give Iran $1.7 billion dollars and let's spurn Israel" crowd will go bonkers over this news confirms the wisdom of it.
Posts like these illustrate how low information Trump voters are

US didnt "give" Iran 1.7 billion. It was a money that Iran had paid for exports in the 70s and the US never paid it back because the Shah regime fell. It was 400 million and the interest accrued led to total amount being 1.7 billion.

And I wish someone would "spurn" me by the handing over the largest military aid package in history - 38 billion over 10 years
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2016, 01:50:00 AM »

Posts like these illustrate how low information Trump voters are

US didnt "give" Iran 1.7 billion. It was a money that Iran had paid for exports in the 70s and the US never paid it back because the Shah regime fell. It was 400 million and the interest accrued led to total amount being 1.7 billion.

You can dispense with the condescending "low information" insult.  I was well aware of your half-truth "facts".  Here are some more facts that provide a more complete picture.

The $400 million was from illiquid assets that we already had possession of.  There were other liquid assets (bank accounts and the like) we seized were already returned to Iran in the Algiers Accords on President Carter's last full day in office in 1981.  The 400 million was illiquid assets in the form of military equipment, already paid for but not yet delivered by the US to Iran.  I would hope we can agree that handing over that military equipment to Khomenei would have been unwise.

The US placed $400m into an escrow account, with the intent to transfer those assets back to their rightful owners, the people of Iran, as such time as the people of Iran gained a free and democratically elected government.

So the reality is Obama took money that belonged to the people of Iran and handed it to a dictatorial regime in exchange for what amounts to a diplomatic equivalent of a pinky-swear from the biggest liar in the entire grade school.  The $1.7B was not the current regime's money.  It should have been held until such time as a democratic and free Iran emerges.  Unless you think a violent non-democratic coup was a legitimate transfer of power.
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2016, 10:04:00 PM »

Excellent.  John Bolton is exactly what is needed at State right now.

The fact that the "let's give Iran $1.7 billion dollars and let's spurn Israel" crowd will go bonkers over this news confirms the wisdom of it.
Wow, best post I've read today!
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2016, 08:42:53 AM »

Are we willing to proclude the use of nuclear weapons now?
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2016, 08:44:57 AM »

atm i would enjoy bolton cause he is going to make trump's base go crazy....
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2016, 08:54:00 AM »

but Hillary was the hawk obviously
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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2016, 09:02:42 AM »

Trump is aware that horses are generally not changed in mid-stream. So if he's particularly unpopular in 2019 or so...
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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2016, 09:25:26 AM »

I don't know why anyone is surprised; Trump was never a Paulite "lets just militarily withdraw from the world" sort of isolationist. John Bolton is EXACTLY the candidate I'd expect a President who said things like "lets go in and take all the oil", "we need to force our allies to give NATO more money", and "let's take out family members of ISIS people" to choose. Trump's disagreement with the foreign policy establishment was never that we used American power too much in the world or that we needed to respect foreign sovereignty. Trump's problem was that America didn't get enough treasure out of our conquests and that we worked too much within the international order to do them. Bolton is a solution for that.
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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2016, 01:45:59 PM »

I don't know why anyone is surprised; Trump was never a Paulite "lets just militarily withdraw from the world" sort of isolationist. John Bolton is EXACTLY the candidate I'd expect a President who said things like "lets go in and take all the oil", "we need to force our allies to give NATO more money", and "let's take out family members of ISIS people" to choose. Trump's disagreement with the foreign policy establishment was never that we used American power too much in the world or that we needed to respect foreign sovereignty. Trump's problem was that America didn't get enough treasure out of our conquests and that we worked too much within the international order to do them. Bolton is a solution for that.

Trump is basically a throwback to the old days of plundering an enemy to get what you want, yes.
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« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2016, 09:33:54 PM »

His Blades Are Sharp.
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« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2016, 11:14:13 PM »


Don't insult the Boltons by comparing them to that nutjob Angry
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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2016, 02:16:49 AM »


Don't insult the Boltons by comparing them to that nutjob Angry

Don't let Jon Bolton, First Of His Name, near any Scandinavian Americans....

EDIT: And make sure he doesn't have an assistant named "Reek".
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« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2016, 02:19:23 AM »


Don't insult the Boltons by comparing them to that nutjob Angry

Don't let Jon Bolton, First Of His Name, near any Scandinavian Americans....

EDIT: And make sure he doesn't have an assistant named "Reek".

Have Americans learned nothing from GoT? Never give a Bolton power. Damned fools!
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