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« Reply #75 on: November 21, 2016, 12:53:01 AM »

If Kanye gets the nomination, and is running against Trump, he won't get less than 43% of the vote, and could absolutely get more than that. Just like many people will vote Republican no matter what, many people will vote Democratic, no matter what, especially if the alternative is Trump.
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« Reply #76 on: November 21, 2016, 12:56:18 AM »

Kanye, love him or hate him, could very well have the same effect in turning out millennial voters that Trump has/had with turning out rural voters, which would guarantee him 100+ EVs, which is far better than Mondale did.


Not to mention he'll also do better among Blacks and Hispanics than Hillary Clinton did.

I'd be shocked if he did better among Hispanics.

He will, especially if the other choice is a President that deported half their community.

If Kanye gets the nomination, and is running against Trump, he won't get less than 43% of the vote, and could absolutely get more than that. Just like many people will vote Republican no matter what, many people will vote Democratic, no matter what, especially if the alternative is Trump.
 

True. I think the Dems nominating Kanye would be the best revenge against the Republicans for nominating a non politician who says crazy things and offends people.
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« Reply #77 on: November 21, 2016, 11:54:42 AM »

Hawaii tends to be pro-incumbent so I could see them voting for Trump in a pure Trumpslide, but I don't expect that to happen. Counting out West is making the same mistake a lot of Democrats did this year.
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« Reply #78 on: November 21, 2016, 02:44:15 PM »
« Edited: November 21, 2016, 02:46:48 PM by cwt »

No one has mentioned the rant he went on the other day? He was doing a concert in Sacramento, did about three songs, then went on a long rambling rant and left the stage.

Here's the transcript, but I can't make sense of it.

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« Reply #79 on: November 21, 2016, 04:46:47 PM »

That's why Kanye would lose in a landslide - Trump at least had a simple narrative he stuck to over the course of a campaign. Kanye can barely keep a narrative through a concert. Trump isn't the Republican equivalent of Kanye. Kanye is probably closer to the Republicans nominating Clint Eastwood in full-on chair-on-the-stage mode.
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« Reply #80 on: November 21, 2016, 11:11:55 PM »

That's why Kanye would lose in a landslide - Trump at least had a simple narrative he stuck to over the course of a campaign. Kanye can barely keep a narrative through a concert. Trump isn't the Republican equivalent of Kanye. Kanye is probably closer to the Republicans nominating Clint Eastwood in full-on chair-on-the-stage mode.

But that also begs the question how could he even win the primary in the first place then with such a sloppy campaign? (and just repeating "muh black vote" over and over doesn't answer it, elderly blacks, the type most likely to vote don't give a f[inks] about him, and the black vote is nowhere near enough on its own enough to win a Democratic primary especially with lily-white states opening the season, [how the f[inks] is New Hampshire "tailor made" for him?], Millennials almost certainly would back Sanders or a Sanders-like candidate speaking to the issues they care about over him [can you imagine Kanye West introducing a coherent student loan debt plan?] and the type of liberal activists who go to caucuses won't back him. He has virtually no appeal to the non-black parts of Hillary and Obama's coalitions, and it's a stretch to assume he'd even get the black vote in those numbers.])
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« Reply #81 on: November 21, 2016, 11:14:41 PM »

Also the Democratic primary rules are much different from the Republican ones. Which is why Trump isn't really a fitting precedent.

Trump won 100% of the delegates in South Carolina with less than 33% of the vote. He won a majority of the delegates in most Super Tuesday states despite not winning a majority in any.

That can't happen under the Democratic rules, and then throw in superdelegates.
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« Reply #82 on: November 21, 2016, 11:58:34 PM »

Also the Democratic primary rules are much different from the Republican ones. Which is why Trump isn't really a fitting precedent.

Trump won 100% of the delegates in South Carolina with less than 33% of the vote. He won a majority of the delegates in most Super Tuesday states despite not winning a majority in any.

That can't happen under the Democratic rules, and then throw in superdelegates.

It's possible that he'll win the pledged delegates by such a wide margin (say, West 35% Gillibrand 16% Klobuchar 14% Booker 13% S. Brown 12% K. Brown 5%) that superdelegates will hand the nomination to him out of fear of alienating his supporters. It's worth noting that the superdelegates haven't actually gone against the pledged delegate winner yet in their history.
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« Reply #83 on: November 22, 2016, 01:20:29 AM »

Also the Democratic primary rules are much different from the Republican ones. Which is why Trump isn't really a fitting precedent.

Trump won 100% of the delegates in South Carolina with less than 33% of the vote. He won a majority of the delegates in most Super Tuesday states despite not winning a majority in any.

That can't happen under the Democratic rules, and then throw in superdelegates.

It's possible that he'll win the pledged delegates by such a wide margin (say, West 35% Gillibrand 16% Klobuchar 14% Booker 13% S. Brown 12% K. Brown 5%) that superdelegates will hand the nomination to him out of fear of alienating his supporters. It's worth noting that the superdelegates haven't actually gone against the pledged delegate winner yet in their history.

And where's he going to get 35% of the vote from?

Actually in that scenario he'd still lose since trailing candidates would drop out and the anti-West vote would consolidate.
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« Reply #84 on: November 22, 2016, 09:44:04 PM »

Also the Democratic primary rules are much different from the Republican ones. Which is why Trump isn't really a fitting precedent.

Trump won 100% of the delegates in South Carolina with less than 33% of the vote. He won a majority of the delegates in most Super Tuesday states despite not winning a majority in any.

That can't happen under the Democratic rules, and then throw in superdelegates.

It's possible that he'll win the pledged delegates by such a wide margin (say, West 35% Gillibrand 16% Klobuchar 14% Booker 13% S. Brown 12% K. Brown 5%) that superdelegates will hand the nomination to him out of fear of alienating his supporters. It's worth noting that the superdelegates haven't actually gone against the pledged delegate winner yet in their history.

And where's he going to get 35% of the vote from?

Actually in that scenario he'd still lose since trailing candidates would drop out and the anti-West vote would consolidate.


Warning: In the Spring of 2016, people thought that's how Trump would fall. It didn't happen.
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« Reply #85 on: November 22, 2016, 09:47:05 PM »

That's why Kanye would lose in a landslide - Trump at least had a simple narrative he stuck to over the course of a campaign. Kanye can barely keep a narrative through a concert. Trump isn't the Republican equivalent of Kanye. Kanye is probably closer to the Republicans nominating Clint Eastwood in full-on chair-on-the-stage mode.

But that also begs the question how could he even win the primary in the first place then with such a sloppy campaign? (and just repeating "muh black vote" over and over doesn't answer it, elderly blacks, the type most likely to vote don't give a f[inks] about him, and the black vote is nowhere near enough on its own enough to win a Democratic primary especially with lily-white states opening the season, [how the f[inks] is New Hampshire "tailor made" for him?], Millennials almost certainly would back Sanders or a Sanders-like candidate speaking to the issues they care about over him [can you imagine Kanye West introducing a coherent student loan debt plan?] and the type of liberal activists who go to caucuses won't back him. He has virtually no appeal to the non-black parts of Hillary and Obama's coalitions, and it's a stretch to assume he'd even get the black vote in those numbers.])

Yeah, there's no way he's actually getting the nomination, but as a thought exercise, he's still getting destroyed in the general if he does.
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« Reply #86 on: November 23, 2016, 05:00:07 PM »

His most recent breakdown has most likely thwarted any chance if him being elected. But we all said that about Trump in 2015. Let's not count him out.
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« Reply #87 on: November 23, 2016, 05:10:20 PM »

His most recent breakdown has most likely thwarted any chance if him being elected. But we all said that about Trump in 2015. Let's not count him out.
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« Reply #88 on: November 23, 2016, 06:27:37 PM »

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« Reply #89 on: November 23, 2016, 11:33:13 PM »

His most recent breakdown has most likely thwarted any chance if him being elected. But we all said that about Trump in 2015. Let's not count him out.

If he recovers then he'd no doubt be okay from this.
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« Reply #90 on: November 25, 2016, 01:32:41 AM »

His most recent breakdown has most likely thwarted any chance if him being elected. But we all said that about Trump in 2015. Let's not count him out.

If he recovers then he'd no doubt be okay from this.
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« Reply #91 on: November 25, 2016, 07:54:26 AM »

Everyone calm down:

1) If Trump has been unsuccessful, which I expect he will be, there will likely be a revulsion against celebrity candidates
2) Bernie or someone like him could easily portray Kanye as the puppet of the Establishment
3) How is he going to win IA and NH? I know the plan would be for him to win SC and run up the score with the Black Vote, but that would at best make him a spoiler, not the potential nominee. If Democratic primaries ran under Republican rules, there would be a much bigger threat he could do what Trump has done.


2.  If Kanye West is treated as a serious Presidential candidate for even five (5) minutes, I will be convinced that the Dumbing Down of America may not be reversible.

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« Reply #92 on: December 01, 2016, 01:02:36 PM »

The 911 call from West said that "weapons should be taken away". Wow. Sad. If West can recover from this, I don't know.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/12/01/kanye-west-911-call-hospitalized/
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« Reply #93 on: October 13, 2018, 07:43:04 AM »

This sure aged well!
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« Reply #94 on: October 13, 2018, 08:29:47 AM »

He's Trump only black celebrity supporter, aside from Tyson and Rodman. He won't win a GOP nomination, due to the abortion debate and other social issues
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« Reply #95 on: October 14, 2018, 07:49:26 PM »

He's Trump only black celebrity supporter, aside from Tyson and Rodman. He won't win a GOP nomination, due to the abortion debate and other social issues

The GOP will find a reason to support him if he appeals to their id enough. Even if it means being hypocrites on social issues. They have no shame, principles, morals, or self-awareness.
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