Is Medicare privatization going to hurt the GOP like O-Care?
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« on: November 11, 2016, 11:08:56 AM »


Paul Ryan Says Medicare Privatization Is On

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/paul-ryan-says-medicare-privatization-is-on.html

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report-bret-baier/videos#p/86927/v/5205539072001

seems like a BIIIIIIIIIIIIG thing! and especially problematic with the elderly people voting GOP right now.
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2016, 11:09:52 AM »

This could make Trump's Health Care Privatization plan either a model for Democrats if and when they get through or it will end like Clinton's did in 1994.
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2016, 01:00:49 PM »

Even though Ryan's old plan would leave it untouched for current seniors, it puts them on the defensive having to explain the minutiae of the plan, while Democrats get to just scream "they're getting rid of Medicare!" All those "Keep your government hands off my Medicare" people can be convinced it's the Republicans who are now coming after their Medicare. This will be the biggest blunder for the GOP and will cost them the midterm.
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2016, 01:44:40 PM »

..And things like this is why 2018 is likely to be a shellacking for the GOP, at least at the House and state level. Donald, aka the guy who ran as a populist, working with Republicans to implement many of their anti-populist plans is going to look awful.
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2016, 01:57:18 PM »

..And things like this is why 2018 is likely to be a shellacking for the GOP, at least at the House and state level. Donald, aka the guy who ran as a populist, working with Republicans to implement many of their anti-populist plans is going to look awful.

Which is why it's puzzling looking at Ryan act all giddy, thinking he has a mandate to enact his Ayn Rand vision of America. If Trump rolls over like some kind of pussy and lets Ryan run the show, he will have betrayed all those working class folks who voted for him. How does he think he'll win reelection?
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2016, 11:20:42 PM »

Let's not forget what happened with the Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act of 1988, followed 18 months later by the Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Repeal Act of 1989 because it proved so unpopular.
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2016, 11:58:56 PM »

Let's not forget what happened with the Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act of 1988, followed 18 months later by the Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Repeal Act of 1989 because it proved so unpopular.

Is that good or bad for Paul Ryan in the current time frame?
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2016, 12:35:00 AM »

If Trump's smart, he'll veto anything like this.
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2016, 01:52:28 AM »

The last time the GOP tried this, they lost the 2012 election and also blew a couple of special elections where the issue came up because it basically came down to, "Republicans want your grandmother to eat dog food and have to cut her blood pressure pills in half so rich people can get more tax cuts."

And to those who would argue that it only applies to people 30 years from now, it doesn't matter. This election proved how much a certain segment of this country cares about looking after "their own kind." They don't want the Republicans to deny their white children and grandchildren the Medicare benefits they earned and are entitled to.

SS/Medicare reform is doomed to fail precisely because it's not a "welfare" program. People love taking things away from others, but not giving up things they themselves benefit from.
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2016, 02:45:35 AM »

The last time the GOP tried this, they lost the 2012 election and also blew a couple of special elections where the issue came up because it basically came down to, "Republicans want your grandmother to eat dog food and have to cut her blood pressure pills in half so rich people can get more tax cuts."

And to those who would argue that it only applies to people 30 years from now, it doesn't matter. This election proved how much a certain segment of this country cares about looking after "their own kind." They don't want the Republicans to deny their white children and grandchildren the Medicare benefits they earned and are entitled to.

SS/Medicare reform is doomed to fail precisely because it's not a "welfare" program. People love taking things away from others, but not giving up things they themselves benefit from.
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If we Democrats were smart, we should move away from the entitlement BS and emphasize that every American worker pays for SS/Medicare to ensure it is there when they need it. Jeb! got taken to task by a lady in the primaries over this and he stumbled so much that he got booed by a bunch of his constituents. Frame it that way to make the Republicans look really cruel.
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2016, 03:27:57 AM »
« Edited: November 12, 2016, 03:30:29 AM by Sbane »

I don't think a lot of establishment Republicans understand the lessons of this election. Right now they have power, and are giddy at the prospect of getting done whatever they want. With the exception of the Supreme Court, I don't think the right gets much from these coming years, besides immigration policy. Certainly not Medicare or Social Security cuts. That is not what the country wants, and the results of the election should have made that clear. If Trump goes along with this, watch for the Democrats to roar back in 2020 promising tax hikes on the rich and saving Medicare and Social Security from the Republicans.
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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2016, 04:49:00 AM »

Because if there is one thing we have learned from this cycle, is that whenever someone says something contradicting Big Don, Big Don never, ever rebukes/changes/repudiates it afterwards.


Remember "softening on immigration".
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