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« Reply #825 on: February 20, 2017, 01:13:15 PM »

Buttigieg has the momentum right now.

Does he really, or does he just seem to be with the recent positive stories? The only thing that matters at the end of the day is the number of DNC votes he gets, and there's little to suggest that he's anywhere close to being competitive.
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« Reply #826 on: February 20, 2017, 02:11:47 PM »

So Perez apparently after the NH primary, emailed Podesta telling him that while Bernie has the youth vote, they should change the narrative by claiming that Bernie only appeals to young white voters, which would hurt him in South Carolina.  So he pretty much came up with the idea of the idiotic Bernie bro stereotype.  The email was in the wikileaks emails.
For more information see:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riarqgogc3U

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« Reply #827 on: February 20, 2017, 02:18:37 PM »

So Perez apparently after the NH primary, emailed Podesta telling him that while Bernie has the youth vote, they should change the narrative by claiming that Bernie only appeals to young white voters, which would hurt him in South Carolina.  So he pretty much came up with the idea of the idiotic Bernie bro stereotype.  The email was in the wikileaks emails.
For more information see:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riarqgogc3U

He can go f*** himself.


And this is supposed to be the "unity candidate", lol.
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« Reply #828 on: February 20, 2017, 02:31:39 PM »

So Perez apparently after the NH primary, emailed Podesta telling him that while Bernie has the youth vote, they should change the narrative by claiming that Bernie only appeals to young white voters, which would hurt him in South Carolina.  So he pretty much came up with the idea of the idiotic Bernie bro stereotype.  The email was in the wikileaks emails.
For more information see:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riarqgogc3U

He can go f*** himself.


And this is supposed to be the "unity candidate", lol.

Yeah- I've never understood Perez being the Unity candidate. (I guess some were thinking progressive + minority who supported Hillary & worked for Obama... but such a notion is a prime example of a formula that may appear good on paper... yet completely fails in reality).  Not to mention he has never impressed me as a speaker/ communicator ... I think he comes across as trying too hard (at least in the DNC race).

To me the reality consensus candidate is Buttigieg. But not due to a formula... but rather because he has shown genuine respect for both Bernie camp & Hillary camp.  Buttigieg has long had genuine respect for Bernie going back to his essay in high school on Bernie that won the Kennedy writing award.  But he also respects Hillary.. this dual respect is why he largely stayed out of wading into the Presidential Primary.

So for me- I've never understood why ppl don't view this as a choice between Ellison ... or Buttigieg (as the consensus candidate)
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« Reply #829 on: February 20, 2017, 03:17:42 PM »

So Perez apparently after the NH primary, emailed Podesta telling him that while Bernie has the youth vote, they should change the narrative by claiming that Bernie only appeals to young white voters, which would hurt him in South Carolina.  So he pretty much came up with the idea of the idiotic Bernie bro stereotype.  The email was in the wikileaks emails.
For more information see:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riarqgogc3U

He can go f*** himself.


And this is supposed to be the "unity candidate", lol.

Yeah- I've never understood Perez being the Unity candidate. (I guess some were thinking progressive + minority who supported Hillary & worked for Obama... but such a notion is a prime example of a formula that may appear good on paper... yet completely fails in reality).  Not to mention he has never impressed me as a speaker/ communicator ... I think he comes across as trying too hard (at least in the DNC race).

To me the reality consensus candidate is Buttigieg. But not due to a formula... but rather because he has shown genuine respect for both Bernie camp & Hillary camp.  Buttigieg has long had genuine respect for Bernie going back to his essay in high school on Bernie that won the Kennedy writing award.  But he also respects Hillary.. this dual respect is why he largely stayed out of wading into the Presidential Primary.

So for me- I've never understood why ppl don't view this as a choice between Ellison ... or Buttigieg (as the consensus candidate)

He endorsed Hillary, he didn't stay out. And he is a mayor, I think he doesn't have the experience to DNC Chair which IMO is critical.

Also I would argue Ellison who has been a lifelong Democrat, campaigned for Bernie & Obama too in the primaries & for Obama & Clinton in the GE, has support from both Schumer/Reid camp as well as Bernie/Warren camp can be a good unity candidate.

Perez for obvious reasons is a very bad choice. I don't mind Pete though. I do think he should run for Congress in 2018 !
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« Reply #830 on: February 20, 2017, 04:37:52 PM »

Perez wanting the Democrat to win the Democratic primary is not a scandal.

The attempted socialist coup from within the party needs to be beaten down into the dirt for the good of America, the same way the populist right coup in the Republicans needed to be. We failed, sadly. Hopefully the Dems will not.
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« Reply #831 on: February 20, 2017, 04:44:48 PM »

So Perez apparently after the NH primary, emailed Podesta telling him that while Bernie has the youth vote, they should change the narrative by claiming that Bernie only appeals to young white voters, which would hurt him in South Carolina.  So he pretty much came up with the idea of the idiotic Bernie bro stereotype.  The email was in the wikileaks emails.
For more information see:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riarqgogc3U

He can go f*** himself.


Ah, what a surprise! The guy running against our candidate is the source of all trouble ever!

And about Buttigieg, I have a feeling that he'll either become the next Jason Kander or a strong contender for the Presidency.
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« Reply #832 on: February 20, 2017, 06:26:40 PM »
« Edited: February 20, 2017, 06:34:38 PM by SCNCmod »

So Perez apparently after the NH primary, emailed Podesta telling him that while Bernie has the youth vote, they should change the narrative by claiming that Bernie only appeals to young white voters, which would hurt him in South Carolina.  So he pretty much came up with the idea of the idiotic Bernie bro stereotype.  The email was in the wikileaks emails.
For more information see:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riarqgogc3U

He can go f*** himself.


And this is supposed to be the "unity candidate", lol.

Yeah- I've never understood Perez being the Unity candidate. (I guess some were thinking progressive + minority who supported Hillary & worked for Obama... but such a notion is a prime example of a formula that may appear good on paper... yet completely fails in reality).  Not to mention he has never impressed me as a speaker/ communicator ... I think he comes across as trying too hard (at least in the DNC race).

To me the reality consensus candidate is Buttigieg. But not due to a formula... but rather because he has shown genuine respect for both Bernie camp & Hillary camp.  Buttigieg has long had genuine respect for Bernie going back to his essay in high school on Bernie that won the Kennedy writing award.  But he also respects Hillary.. this dual respect is why he largely stayed out of wading into the Presidential Primary.

So for me- I've never understood why ppl don't view this as a choice between Ellison ... or Buttigieg (as the consensus candidate)

He endorsed Hillary, he didn't stay out. And he is a mayor, I think he doesn't have the experience to DNC Chair which IMO is critical.

Also I would argue Ellison who has been a lifelong Democrat, campaigned for Bernie & Obama too in the primaries & for Obama & Clinton in the GE, has support from both Schumer/Reid camp as well as Bernie/Warren camp can be a good unity candidate.

Perez for obvious reasons is a very bad choice. I don't mind Pete though. I do think he should run for Congress in 2018 !

That is why I said he "largely" stayed out of the primary... He may have eventually endorsed Hillary... but he didn't actively campaign for her etc.  I will leave it to others to decide if they think Buttigieg or Ellison is the candidate most aptly considered a consensus candidate.

Regarding Buttigieg being qualified...

 In addition to being a Rhodes Scholar, graduating from Harvard with honors, and serving a stint in Afghanistan....most relevant is he Was elected Mayor of his home town of South Bend at age 29 (the youngest 100k+ population mayor at the time) ... and has more than succeeded in completely Turning around a failing City (one of the best turnaround city stories in the country)...and with the highest ethics & transparency (all of the cities finances are completely available to the public online)...  Running the 4th largest city in Indiana (and with such dynamic success) is more executive experience than being a member of Congress.   I think he will be just as successful in the role of DNC Chair & instituting a system and strategic plan to ensure Dems start winning elections again. (he can use that Rhodes Scholar Brilliance to stay a step ahead of the Republican Party).
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« Reply #833 on: February 20, 2017, 07:09:01 PM »

9 mayors endorse Buttigieg:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/02/20/politics/pete-buttigieg-dnc-mayor-endorsements/index.html
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« Reply #834 on: February 20, 2017, 08:11:20 PM »

Excuse me for being behind but who is Buckley?
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« Reply #835 on: February 20, 2017, 08:16:22 PM »

Excuse me for being behind but who is Buckley?

Chairman of the NH Democratic Party. Was my second favorite guy in the race before he dropped out.
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« Reply #836 on: February 20, 2017, 08:42:40 PM »

So Perez apparently after the NH primary, emailed Podesta telling him that while Bernie has the youth vote, they should change the narrative by claiming that Bernie only appeals to young white voters, which would hurt him in South Carolina.  So he pretty much came up with the idea of the idiotic Bernie bro stereotype.  The email was in the wikileaks emails.
For more information see:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riarqgogc3U

He can go f*** himself.


Yes, it's been known that Perez is a huge proponent of divisive identity politics to destroy progressives. If he is the DNC chair, we'll know the 2020 primary will be at least as rigged as the 2016 one, and there's no point in bothering with the party any more.
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« Reply #837 on: February 20, 2017, 09:06:18 PM »


From that same video, Symone Sanders says Ellison's team told her they have 200 DNC members.
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« Reply #838 on: February 20, 2017, 09:12:37 PM »


If that's true, go Ellison!
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« Reply #839 on: February 20, 2017, 09:21:07 PM »

Sounds like Howard Dean may endorse Buttigieg tomorrow:

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« Reply #840 on: February 20, 2017, 09:36:49 PM »

So Perez apparently after the NH primary, emailed Podesta telling him that while Bernie has the youth vote, they should change the narrative by claiming that Bernie only appeals to young white voters, which would hurt him in South Carolina.  So he pretty much came up with the idea of the idiotic Bernie bro stereotype.  The email was in the wikileaks emails.
For more information see:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riarqgogc3U

He can go f*** himself.


Ah, what a surprise! The guy running against our candidate is the source of all trouble ever!

And about Buttigieg, I have a feeling that he'll either become the next Jason Kander or a strong contender for the Presidency.

You know what?  Go eff yourself.  If you don't understand how hurtful the accusations towards Bernie supporters being sexist and racist were during the primary, you either have no clue, or you're just trolling. 
I have worked for years for minority rights and women's rights, and all of a sudden because I didn't support the candidate the millionaires who run the party had already decided would be the nominee, I and many others were accused of being sexist and racist.  And this was by people who I thought were on my side!
Can you understand what a betrayal that was?  You obviously can't, so shut up.
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« Reply #841 on: February 20, 2017, 09:40:24 PM »

So Perez apparently after the NH primary, emailed Podesta telling him that while Bernie has the youth vote, they should change the narrative by claiming that Bernie only appeals to young white voters, which would hurt him in South Carolina.  So he pretty much came up with the idea of the idiotic Bernie bro stereotype.  The email was in the wikileaks emails.
For more information see:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riarqgogc3U

He can go f*** himself.


Ah, what a surprise! The guy running against our candidate is the source of all trouble ever!

I hated his guts before he announced. You seem to think destructive and divisive identity politics to destroy progressives is OK. Well, if the DNC elects Perez, they can have fun losing without us. Perez is so toxic that I'd even prefer DWS to him.
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« Reply #842 on: February 20, 2017, 09:48:16 PM »

Lol no one had to "come up with" the idiotic Bernie Bro stereotype. Just go read twitter or Reddit for a few minutes.
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« Reply #843 on: February 20, 2017, 09:59:28 PM »

Lol no one had to "come up with" the idiotic Bernie Bro stereotype. Just go read twitter or Reddit for a few minutes.

I see you still support Trump and are working hard for his re-election.
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« Reply #844 on: February 20, 2017, 10:15:50 PM »

Lol no one had to "come up with" the idiotic Bernie Bro stereotype. Just go read twitter or Reddit for a few minutes.

I see you still support Trump and are working hard for his re-election.

Uh, no, I voted for Clinton to stop Trump. You threw a tantrum and voted for Kremlin-puppet Jill Stein.
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« Reply #845 on: February 20, 2017, 10:25:07 PM »

Lol no one had to "come up with" the idiotic Bernie Bro stereotype. Just go read twitter or Reddit for a few minutes.

I see you still support Trump and are working hard for his re-election.

Uh, no, I voted for Clinton to stop Trump. You threw a tantrum and voted for Kremlin-puppet Jill Stein.

Nice job stopping him.
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« Reply #846 on: February 20, 2017, 10:27:11 PM »

So Perez apparently after the NH primary, emailed Podesta telling him that while Bernie has the youth vote, they should change the narrative by claiming that Bernie only appeals to young white voters, which would hurt him in South Carolina.  So he pretty much came up with the idea of the idiotic Bernie bro stereotype.  The email was in the wikileaks emails.
For more information see:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riarqgogc3U

He can go f*** himself.


Ah, what a surprise! The guy running against our candidate is the source of all trouble ever!

And about Buttigieg, I have a feeling that he'll either become the next Jason Kander or a strong contender for the Presidency.

You know what?  Go eff yourself.  If you don't understand how hurtful the accusations towards Bernie supporters being sexist and racist were during the primary, you either have no clue, or you're just trolling. 
I have worked for years for minority rights and women's rights, and all of a sudden because I didn't support the candidate the millionaires who run the party had already decided would be the nominee, I and many others were accused of being sexist and racist.  And this was by people who I thought were on my side!
Can you understand what a betrayal that was?  You obviously can't, so shut up.

Thats politics.
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« Reply #847 on: February 20, 2017, 10:34:42 PM »

So Perez apparently after the NH primary, emailed Podesta telling him that while Bernie has the youth vote, they should change the narrative by claiming that Bernie only appeals to young white voters, which would hurt him in South Carolina.  So he pretty much came up with the idea of the idiotic Bernie bro stereotype.  The email was in the wikileaks emails.
For more information see:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riarqgogc3U

He can go f*** himself.


Ah, what a surprise! The guy running against our candidate is the source of all trouble ever!

And about Buttigieg, I have a feeling that he'll either become the next Jason Kander or a strong contender for the Presidency.

You know what?  Go eff yourself.  If you don't understand how hurtful the accusations towards Bernie supporters being sexist and racist were during the primary, you either have no clue, or you're just trolling. 
I have worked for years for minority rights and women's rights, and all of a sudden because I didn't support the candidate the millionaires who run the party had already decided would be the nominee, I and many others were accused of being sexist and racist.  And this was by people who I thought were on my side!
Can you understand what a betrayal that was?  You obviously can't, so shut up.

There was a strong undercurrent of sexism in the Bernie campaign coming from many, many dark corners.  That doesn't mean you personally are that way..  It just wasn't his turn.
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« Reply #848 on: February 20, 2017, 10:42:56 PM »

I didn't see any sexism coming from the Bernie campaign, and the idea that Bernie himself was sexist is laughable. (If you want to see a sexist, only look at the Oval Office today.) Bernie probably went too easy on Hillary by passing up avenues of attack on her over her e-mails and other character questions.
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« Reply #849 on: February 20, 2017, 10:51:11 PM »

I didn't see any sexism coming from the Bernie campaign, and the idea that Bernie himself was sexist is laughable. (If you want to see a sexist, only look at the Oval Office today.) Bernie probably went too easy on Hillary by passing up avenues of attack on her over her e-mails and other character questions.

Yet he continued to attack her well after victory was all but impossible further poisoning the well with a large chunk of the left.
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