The Next DNC Chair: TOM PEREZ WINS, makes Ellison deputy chair

[Simfan34]

In reality,  believing that "oh white people are so racist they would FREAK OUT if a black guy was leader" would be proof the Democrats have learnt the wrong lesson from 2016.

I genuinely want to believe this.

[Ban my account ffs!]

I think the most important thing is to have Democrats challenging Republicans in every race nationwide.  No race should go unopposed.  And if it means running conservative Democrats in conservative districts... well, we can hash that out when we win congress and assign committee seats and leadership.

It is really important to stress that we're not pandering to rural whites... we're including them as much as possible.

We can't continue to speak lip service to "inclusiveness" while we write off, often with haughty dismissiveness, vast swathes of America.

[ApatheticAustrian]

I think the most important thing is to have Democrats challenging Republicans in every race nationwide.  No race should go unopposed.  And if it means running conservative Democrats in conservative districts... well, we can hash that out when we win congress and assign committee seats and leadership.

It is really important to stress that we're not pandering to rural whites... we're including them as much as possible.

We can't continue to speak lip service to "inclusiveness" while we write off, often with haughty dismissiveness, vast swathes of America.

great post, freedom fighter mindset.

no to cheap nationalism, yes to hearing and fighting the sorrows of all americans.

obama didn't got so many votes out of trump country cause of his fair skin.

[Cory]

In reality,  believing that "oh white people are so racist they would FREAK OUT if a black guy was leader" would be proof the Democrats have learnt the wrong lesson from 2016.

It should go without saying that the Muslim thing is the real reason for the fear about this effect.

[Person Man]

I think the most important thing is to have Democrats challenging Republicans in every race nationwide.  No race should go unopposed.  And if it means running conservative Democrats in conservative districts... well, we can hash that out when we win congress and assign committee seats and leadership.

It is really important to stress that we're not pandering to rural whites... we're including them as much as possible.

We can't continue to speak lip service to "inclusiveness" while we write off, often with haughty dismissiveness, vast swathes of America.

great post, freedom fighter mindset.

no to cheap nationalism, yes to hearing and fighting the sorrows of all americans.

obama didn't got so many votes out of trump country cause of his fair skin.

[Illiniwek]

So Rachel Maddow's tease for a dark horse candidate never came through?

SC Party Chairman Jamie Harrison announced on her show.

Gracias.

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I think the most important thing is to have Democrats challenging Republicans in every race nationwide.  No race should go unopposed.  And if it means running conservative Democrats in conservative districts... well, we can hash that out when we win congress and assign committee seats and leadership.

Are conservative Democrats even that better at winning? No Democrat got elected Senator in a Trump state this year. Bayh was supposed to be some god of Indiana politics and went down. Two Trump states have pretty liberal senators: Brown and Baldwin. And just for fun, check out the ideology of the last 2 Democratic Senators from Idaho. They were two of the most liberal Senators ever.

[Dr. Arch]

I think the most important thing is to have Democrats challenging Republicans in every race nationwide.  No race should go unopposed.  And if it means running conservative Democrats in conservative districts... well, we can hash that out when we win congress and assign committee seats and leadership.

Are conservative Democrats even that better at winning? No Democrat got elected Senator in a Trump state this year. Bayh was supposed to be some god of Indiana politics and went down. Two Trump states have pretty liberal senators: Brown and Baldwin. And just for fun, check out the ideology of the last 2 Democratic Senators from Idaho. They were two of the most liberal Senators ever.

What the heck has happened to this country... The polarization breaks my heart

[publicunofficial]

I think the most important thing is to have Democrats challenging Republicans in every race nationwide.  No race should go unopposed.  And if it means running conservative Democrats in conservative districts... well, we can hash that out when we win congress and assign committee seats and leadership.

Are conservative Democrats even that better at winning? No Democrat got elected Senator in a Trump state this year. Bayh was supposed to be some god of Indiana politics and went down. Two Trump states have pretty liberal senators: Brown and Baldwin. And just for fun, check out the ideology of the last 2 Democratic Senators from Idaho. They were two of the most liberal Senators ever.

What the heck has happened to this country... The polarization breaks my heart

My one sole hope for the Trump presidency is that we see the return of Freudenthal-esque flukey Democratic wins in red territory.

[ApatheticAustrian]

bayh was a broken candidate.....kander should have won, if personality is anything.

but we have learned during the last year, that atm republicans have a bigger chance to get elected in blue states, than dems in red states, so there is a kind of "additional effort" needed anyway.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

plus: putting the political efficacy aside - now would be the absolute worst time for democrats to throw minorities under the bus.

[justfollowingtheelections]

Howard Dean was a fantastic DNC chair, but he is Yesterday's Man.  We ran a lot of has-beens this year (virtually all of whom lost), and I think it's time for some new blood, and who better than a young Muslim congressman from Minnesota with a reliably progressive voting record?  

Selecting Keith Ellison would certainly send a signal that the Democratic Party gets 'it'.  

It does the exact opposite. We lost because we both alienated white working class voters and didn't turn out minorities. The DNC is a full time job, which Ellison can't commit to as a Congressman. Ellison should be chair of the DCCC or co-chair of the DNC with him as the public face of the party and Dean in charge of actual operations, similar to the format of the '90s.

Oh give me a break.  Did you say that when super-corrupt DWS was the chair?  No of course you didn't.  And of course you want Howard lobbyist Dean, who was probably the most disgusting Clinton surrogate during the primaries.

[Person Man]

I think the most important thing is to have Democrats challenging Republicans in every race nationwide.  No race should go unopposed.  And if it means running conservative Democrats in conservative districts... well, we can hash that out when we win congress and assign committee seats and leadership.

Are conservative Democrats even that better at winning? No Democrat got elected Senator in a Trump state this year. Bayh was supposed to be some god of Indiana politics and went down. Two Trump states have pretty liberal senators: Brown and Baldwin. And just for fun, check out the ideology of the last 2 Democratic Senators from Idaho. They were two of the most liberal Senators ever.

What the heck has happened to this country... The polarization breaks my heart

My one sole hope for the Trump presidency is that we see the return of Freudenthal-esque flukey Democratic wins in red territory.

How many blue states are red downballot? We have to win downballot in red states and we can't just do that by saying "me, too".

Fruedenthal was really good at triangulation. He supported gun rights as a proxy for criminal justice reform and supported grocery tax cuts to help the poor.

[justfollowingtheelections]

So Rachel Maddow's tease for a dark horse candidate never came through?

SC Party Chairman Jamie Harrison announced on her show.

The Podesta Group lobbyist who caught major flak during the primaries for alleged collusion with the Clinton campaign while overseeing a state primary election? Oh dear...

lol Maddow has lost any credibility she once had.

[Gass3268]

Ellison has the endorsement of  the state chairmen in Wisconsin, Hawaii, Nebraska, and his home state of Minnesota. Also Elizabeth Warren recently formally endorsed Ellison.

[Blair]

Ellison has the endorsement of  the state chairmen in Wisconsin, Hawaii, Nebraska, and his home state of Minnesota. Also Elizabeth Warren recently formally endorsed Ellison.

This actually matters, as state chairman vote and were suppose to be heavily behind Dean

[Maxwell]

Howard Dean was who was needed in 2005-2009. He's since lost touch with what is necessary. I think Ellison is the choice for what Democrats need to do from 2017-2021.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

So can someone actually explain the case for Ellison?  I'm genuinely curious, but so far all I see is some variation of "if you don't support him, you must be a racist/islamaphobic/a DINO" which is obviously stupid and insulting as hell.  What reason do we have to think Ellison is the right person for the job?

[KingSweden]

So can someone actually explain the case for Ellison?  I'm genuinely curious, but so far all I see is some variation of "if you don't support him, you must be a racist/islamaphobic/a DINO" which is obviously stupid and insulting as hell.  What reason do we have to think Ellison is the right person for the job?  I'm genuinely curious.

I support Dean, but my understanding is:

He has support from multiple wings of the party

He has experience in grassroots work, has worked to build up party in Minnesota

Would be a break from the old guard

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

Ellison has the endorsement of  the state chairmen in Wisconsin, Hawaii, Nebraska, and his home state of Minnesota. Also Elizabeth Warren recently formally endorsed Ellison.

This actually matters, as state chairman vote and were suppose to be heavily behind Dean

I think the state chairmen said they planned to vote as a bloc, and Dean has the support of far more of the state parties.

[henster]

I am more concerned who will be leading the DSCC, DCCC & DGA because they are the ones who are actually recruiting candidates for these races.

[Figueira]

If Ellison has anything to do with the success of the DFL party in Minnesota, then he's probably a good choice.

[Ban my account ffs!]

If Ellison has anything to do with the success of the DFL party in Minnesota, then he's probably a good choice.

The right will demonize him as a radical black muslim convert with questionable ties from his past.

But as a congressman he has brought DFL values to Washington and represents a majority NH white district.

I've said this a few times now:

My heart says Ellison.  He's a Minnesotan and I think he's a genuinely good person.

But my mind and gut say Howard Dean.  Tried and true.  Governor from a small, rural state.  Progressive/liberal.  Believes in including everyone without litmus tests as a big tent left wing party.  Is not in congress.

Logic dictates Howard Dean.  Heartstrings play an Ellison song.

[Figueira]

I don't really know enough about Ellison or Dean to know who's really the best choice. But the DNC chair is an administrative role, not someone who has to directly appeal to voters.

[DavidB.]

Great, encouraging sign for Jews, the single group that trended most Democratic in the 2016 election. It would be truly shameful if Ellison won this, turning the Democratic Party into the next UK Labour where anti-Jewish sentiments are actively being promoted by the leadership. Just what we need in these times of uncertainty. Of course, an anti-Jewish turn in the Democratic Party was to be expected given the developments on college campuses, but if Hillary Clinton had been elected, the process could at least have been slowed down.

Both are deplorable, but I'd prefer Bannon over Ellison and it's not even close.