The Next DNC Chair: TOM PEREZ WINS, makes Ellison deputy chair

[Chief Justice Keef]

If the DNC chair is supposed to be the spokesman for the party, then it ABSOLUTELY shouldn't be Perez. The dude ran away from a question about Palestine home demolitions. How the hell is he supposed to lead a more transparent DNC if he can't answer the tough questions without turning his back on reporters?

https://www.twitter.com/zaidjilani/status/822930660675489792

I'm honestly afraid of 2018 if Democrats pick this shill instead of Ellison.

[publicunofficial]

Interesting CNN piece on the arguments Dems are having regarding the 2016 autopsy and the party going forward:

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[ProgressiveCanadian]

Tom Perez finally accepted an interview from TYT Politics and he pretty much failed and showed his true colors. Especially at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=g81xG3e0oYI

[heatcharger]

Tom Perez finally accepted an interview from TYT Politics and he pretty much failed and showed his true colors. Especially at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=g81xG3e0oYI

The witchhunt against Tom Perez is quite disgusting. "Who in the Bernie Sanders world is supporting you?" Who f**king cares? The party does not revolve around a guy who's not even in said party.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Tom Perez finally accepted an interview from TYT Politics and he pretty much failed and showed his true colors. Especially at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=g81xG3e0oYI

The witchhunt against Tom Perez is quite disgusting. "Who in the Bernie Sanders world is supporting you?" Who f**king cares? The party does not revolve around a guy who's not even in said party.

...And this is why you lost.

[Trapsy]

Tom Perez finally accepted an interview from TYT Politics and he pretty much failed and showed his true colors. Especially at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=g81xG3e0oYI

The witchhunt against Tom Perez is quite disgusting. "Who in the Bernie Sanders world is supporting you?" Who f**king cares? The party does not revolve around a guy who's not even in said party.

...And this is why you lost.

This is the season for happy warriors.

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Tom Perez finally accepted an interview from TYT Politics and he pretty much failed and showed his true colors. Especially at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=g81xG3e0oYI

The witchhunt against Tom Perez is quite disgusting. "Who in the Bernie Sanders world is supporting you?" Who f**king cares? The party does not revolve around a guy who's not even in said party.

Tom Perez told the Hillary campaign to use ugly identity politics to claim that Bernie supporters were all racist and sexist white males. That's what's actually quite disgusting, not people going after this vile trash.

[The Other Castro]

Tom Perez finally accepted an interview from TYT Politics and he pretty much failed and showed his true colors. Especially at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=g81xG3e0oYI

The witchhunt against Tom Perez is quite disgusting. "Who in the Bernie Sanders world is supporting you?" Who f**king cares? The party does not revolve around a guy who's not even in said party.

Tom Perez told the Hillary campaign to use ugly identity politics to claim that Bernie supporters were all racist and sexist white males. That's what's actually quite disgusting, not people going after this vile trash.

Got a source for that?

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Tom Perez finally accepted an interview from TYT Politics and he pretty much failed and showed his true colors. Especially at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=g81xG3e0oYI

The witchhunt against Tom Perez is quite disgusting. "Who in the Bernie Sanders world is supporting you?" Who f**king cares? The party does not revolve around a guy who's not even in said party.

Tom Perez told the Hillary campaign to use ugly identity politics to claim that Bernie supporters were all racist and sexist white males. That's what's actually quite disgusting, not people going after this vile trash.

Wouldn't be shocked, many on this forum called his supporters racist and sexist 24/7 during the primaries. So many hillarybots...

[SCNCmod]

I really hope Buttigieg pulls an upset.  I think he would do a far batter job than Ellison or Perez.. (I thought I would like Perez- but he is not a great communicator- Buttigieg is much better).  and there are reasons for both Bernie ppl and Hillary ppl to like Buttigieg.

[SCNCmod]

Moderates like Buttigieg, Progressives like Buttigieg. There is literally no downside to him winning. I just can't imagine the DNC members picking him over Ellison or Perez though and that is a damn shame.

Very much agree... But I'm hoping secret ballot will help Buttigieg (and hoping enough DNC members are smart enough to think he is the best choice of the 3... even if they aren't saying it.

[Chief Justice Keef]

Tom Perez finally accepted an interview from TYT Politics and he pretty much failed and showed his true colors. Especially at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=g81xG3e0oYI

The witchhunt against Tom Perez is quite disgusting. "Who in the Bernie Sanders world is supporting you?" Who f**king cares? The party does not revolve around a guy who's not even in said party.

Isn't that an important question, though? You have millions of people who voted for Sanders in the primary that want to feel like their interests are being represented in the Democratic party, and it makes sense that the DNC chair, as the spokesman of the party, should be able to represent not only the establishment in a way, but to this now-powerful voting block within the party.

This is why it's so maddening why Perez is running: he's not some Third Way sycophant. He's actually got a decently progressive record. But it's so obviously clear that he's been pushed into this race by the Obama administration to have some influence on the party agenda going forward. Perez is only in because of Clintonites not wanting a "Berniecrat" in charge of the show, which is literally the only actual reason people have to oppose him, and support Perez. There's no good reason for him to be in this race at all, except for him acting as an agent of fundamentally rejecting change.

(Actually, it's mind-boggling why Perez isn't running for Maryland Governor in 2018 instead of this race. That's way more important on a practical strategic level than running for a bureaucratic position like DNC chair.)

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Dems are gonna lose 2020 so hard...

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Dems are gonna lose 2020 so hard...

Democrats didn't lose in 2016 because we were "too far left," we lost because more people hated Clinton than Trump in the correct states (MI, PA, WI).

[Chief Justice Keef]

Excluding organisations, advocacy / labor leaders and non-political individuals, these are the number of endorsements each candidate has (according to Wikipedia):

Keith Ellison - 104 (1 Vice President, 11 U.S. Senators, 42 U.S. Representatives, 34 state and local politicians and 16 DNC members)
Tom Perez - 22 (1 Vice President, 2 U.S. Representatives, 18 state and local politicians and 1 DNC member)
Raymond Buckley - 20 (2 U.S. Senators, 2 U.S. Representatives, 10 state and local politicians and 6 DNC members)
Jaime Harrison - 13 (8 U.S. Representatives, 2 state and local politicians and 3 DNC members)
Pete Buttigieg - 10 (1 U.S. Senator, 8 state and local politicians, 1 DNC member)

[The Other Castro]

I think it's very possible this goes to multiple ballots, which could give Buttigieg a chance.

[Chief Justice Keef]

I think it's very possible this goes to multiple ballots, which could give Buttigieg a chance.

If it goes to multiple ballots, would either Ellison or Perez have a better chance?

[heatcharger]

I think it's very possible this goes to multiple ballots, which could give Buttigieg a chance.

If it goes to multiple ballots, would either Ellison or Perez have a better chance?

Buttigieg could position himself as a compromise candidate.

[Chief Justice Keef]

I think it's very possible this goes to multiple ballots, which could give Buttigieg a chance.

If it goes to multiple ballots, would either Ellison or Perez have a better chance?

Buttigieg could position himself as a compromise candidate.

That could work, but I think he's lagging pretty far behind Ellison and Perez in support that it'd be hard to mount a successful "compromise campaign" to win over enough DNC members.

If it came down to multiple ballots, I think Ellison gets the position because more support from labor groups, state party chairs and elected officials than Perez would be more convincing for the DNC.

[Comrade Funk]

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Dems are gonna lose 2020 so hard...

Republicans became quasi-fascist after 2012. Didn't stop them from winning the electoral college. Bernie consistently out polled Hillary in GE matchups because he actually stood for something which is rare for a politician. Nominate a leftie who inspires and they aren't gonna lose to an incumbent with a sub-40% approval rating.

[The Other Castro]

I think it's very possible this goes to multiple ballots, which could give Buttigieg a chance.

If it goes to multiple ballots, would either Ellison or Perez have a better chance?

Well, first you would probably see the no-name candidates like Jehmu Greene, Sally Boynton Brown, and Peter Peckarsky all drop out (along with that random guy wearing the sweatshirt who no one knows). Those are the tier 4 people. The tier 3 people I consider Ray Buckley and Jaime Harrison, who would maybe stay in for another round or two before withdrawing. Tier 2 is Pete Buttigieg, and tier 1 is Perez and Ellison. I feel like the non-Perez/Ellison voters supporting the tier 3 and 4 candidates may be more predisposed to voting for Ellison than Perez. However, these voters would have reasons for not backing Ellison or Perez on the first ballot, and that could lead them to seek a new alternative in Buttigieg before jumping to one of the two frontrunners. This assumes that they like Buttigieg over Harrison and Buckley as much as Atlas does, which could very well not be the case. If they do go to one of Perez or Ellison, I think Ellison would be in a better shape to pick up votes in the general theme of Perez (Establishment) vs. Ellison (Outsiders).

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Tom Perez finally accepted an interview from TYT Politics and he pretty much failed and showed his true colors. Especially at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=g81xG3e0oYI

The witchhunt against Tom Perez is quite disgusting. "Who in the Bernie Sanders world is supporting you?" Who f**king cares? The party does not revolve around a guy who's not even in said party.

Isn't that an important question, though? You have millions of people who voted for Sanders in the primary that want to feel like their interests are being represented in the Democratic party, and it makes sense that the DNC chair, as the spokesman of the party, should be able to represent not only the establishment in a way, but to this now-powerful voting block within the party.

This is why it's so maddening why Perez is running: he's not some Third Way sycophant. He's actually got a decently progressive record. But it's so obviously clear that he's been pushed into this race by the Obama administration to have some influence on the party agenda going forward. Perez is only in because of Clintonites not wanting a "Berniecrat" in charge of the show, which is literally the only actual reason people have to oppose him, and support Perez. There's no good reason for him to be in this race at all, except for him acting as an agent of fundamentally rejecting change.

(Actually, it's mind-boggling why Perez isn't running for Maryland Governor in 2018 instead of this race. That's way more important on a practical strategic level than running for a bureaucratic position like DNC chair.)

By that logic, why doesn't Ellison run for Minnesota Governor rather than DNC Chair?

[justfollowingtheelections]

I think Buckley has a better chance of being the compromise candidate than Buttigieg.

[Chief Justice Keef]

By that logic, why doesn't Ellison run for Minnesota Governor rather than DNC Chair?

Because Perez could actually make a Likely R race with Larry Hogan actually competitive. Not to mention Ellison has maximized turnout in his majority-white district since being elected, which is something that fits the qualities of an effective DNC chair, whereas Perez is a policy-wonk that could do better in a public office.

Plus, there's already several strong options for Democrats in Minnesota, whereas the field's much more open for someone like Perez to jump in and defeat Hogan. Strategically, it makes much more sense for Ellison to lead the DNC (his seat is safe D regardless) and for Perez to run for Maryland Governor than the opposite.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

By that logic, why doesn't Ellison run for Minnesota Governor rather than DNC Chair?

Because Perez could actually make a Likely R race with Larry Hogan actually competitive. Not to mention Ellison has maximized turnout in his majority-white district since being elected, which is something that fits the qualities of an effective DNC chair, whereas Perez is a policy-wonk that could do better in a public office.

Plus, there's already several strong options for Democrats in Minnesota, whereas the field's much more open for someone like Perez to jump in and defeat Hogan. Strategically, it makes much more sense for Ellison to lead the DNC (his seat is safe D regardless) and for Perez to run for Maryland Governor than the opposite.

There are much stronger gubernatorial candidates than Perez if Democrats choose not to give Hogan a pass.  And of course, there's the fact that there is still no reason to think Ellison would make a good DNC Chair or even that Perez would be a bad one.  All I see is people trying to get a symbolic "victory" by re-ligating stuff from the 2016 primaries that is really pretty irrelevant at this point (and I say that as someone who both voted for and donated to Sanders during the primaries).