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« Reply #875 on: February 21, 2017, 12:09:48 PM »


Warning: The comments are cancerous.

-"Lewis is a segregationist and a fake civil rights antagonist and Ellison is a Muslim Bortherhood jihadist recruiter. They were made for the demonic party."

-"That's the ticket, an anti-semitic, anti-white muslim."

-"When the horse dies, it is time to dismount. He's not going anywhere else. The dems don't get it."

-"pulling the party left is a losing tactic. Hillary was just a historically horrid candidate. The country is still center. Appointing these dummies will cement the coastal losing legacy for dems."

LOL.
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« Reply #876 on: February 21, 2017, 12:42:29 PM »


Thank goodness. Lewis was one of the major players in the Clinton wing during the primaries, so his endorsement of Ellison should help a lot
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« Reply #877 on: February 21, 2017, 01:00:29 PM »


Thank goodness. Lewis was one of the major players in the Clinton wing during the primaries, so his endorsement of Ellison should help a lot

I doubt it moves many Clinton people. They'll probably just see it as Lewis endorsing the black candidate.
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« Reply #878 on: February 21, 2017, 01:35:03 PM »

Thank goodness. Lewis was one of the major players in the Clinton wing during the primaries, so his endorsement of Ellison should help a lot
I doubt it moves many Clinton people. They'll probably just see it as Lewis endorsing the black candidate.

Good, they'd be showing their overt racism that way. -_-
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« Reply #879 on: February 21, 2017, 02:02:42 PM »


Warning: The comments are cancerous.

-"Lewis is a segregationist and a fake civil rights antagonist and Ellison is a Muslim Bortherhood jihadist recruiter. They were made for the demonic party."

-"That's the ticket, an anti-semitic, anti-white muslim."

-"When the horse dies, it is time to dismount. He's not going anywhere else. The dems don't get it."

-"pulling the party left is a losing tactic. Hillary was just a historically horrid candidate. The country is still center. Appointing these dummies will cement the coastal losing legacy for dems."

LOL.

Well, it's The Hill. Their comment section is about as cancerous as Youtube.
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« Reply #880 on: February 21, 2017, 02:32:03 PM »

Very rough updated predictions:

Ballot 1: 205 Ellison, 185 Perez, 26 Buttigieg 21 Harrison, 10 Brown/Greene/Peckarsky/Ronan
-Brown, Greene, Peckarsky, Ronan drop out
Ballot 2: 209 Ellison, 186 Perez, 29 Buttigieg, 23 Harrison
-Harrison drops out
Ballot 3: 216 Ellison, 190 Perez, 41 Buttigieg
-Buttigieg eliminated
Ballot 4: 245 Ellison, 202 Perez
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« Reply #881 on: February 21, 2017, 02:32:48 PM »


Warning: The comments are cancerous.

-"Lewis is a segregationist and a fake civil rights antagonist and Ellison is a Muslim Bortherhood jihadist recruiter. They were made for the demonic party."

-"That's the ticket, an anti-semitic, anti-white muslim."

-"When the horse dies, it is time to dismount. He's not going anywhere else. The dems don't get it."

-"pulling the party left is a losing tactic. Hillary was just a historically horrid candidate. The country is still center. Appointing these dummies will cement the coastal losing legacy for dems."

LOL.

But remember the left is the one who plays identity politics
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« Reply #882 on: February 21, 2017, 07:39:20 PM »

With Trump's controversial and chaotic presidency, I consider supporting Keith Ellison as DNC Chairman.
It'll send a message to this administration and make the Democratic party go back to FDR and LBJ eras.
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« Reply #883 on: February 21, 2017, 10:08:17 PM »

Very rough updated predictions:

Ballot 1: 205 Ellison, 185 Perez, 26 Buttigieg 21 Harrison, 10 Brown/Greene/Peckarsky/Ronan
-Brown, Greene, Peckarsky, Ronan drop out
Ballot 2: 209 Ellison, 186 Perez, 29 Buttigieg, 23 Harrison
-Harrison drops out
Ballot 3: 216 Ellison, 190 Perez, 41 Buttigieg
-Buttigieg eliminated
Ballot 4: 245 Ellison, 202 Perez

OR!!!...

Ballot 1: 170 Ellison, 148 Perez, 100 Buttigieg 16 Harrison, 10 Brown/Greene/Peckarsky/Ronan
-Brown, Greene, Peckarsky, Ronan, Harrison drop out
Ballot 2: 180 Ellison, 150 Perez, 114 Buttigieg

Ballot 3: 180 Ellison, 125 Perez, 131 Buttigieg
-Perez eliminated
Ballot 4: 211 Ellison, 225 Buttigieg


(I know this is wishful thinking... Buttigieg's only hope... Doe far better than Perez in the debate tomorrow.... then get a lot more than expected votes via secret ballot- while Perez gets far less than expected... setting up a feeling that Perez will never get enough of Buttigieg votes to surpass Ellison... So enough Perez voters go to buttiegieg in the 3rd round to stop Ellison...
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« Reply #884 on: February 21, 2017, 10:09:41 PM »

Has a 3rd place 1st round candidate- ever ended winning?
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« Reply #885 on: February 21, 2017, 10:28:32 PM »

Has a 3rd place 1st round candidate- ever ended winning?

Ever ended up winning DNC chair? Probably not. Though something similar ended up happening in Canada in the Liberal Party's leadership race back in 2006, when Stephane Dion came from third (and nearly fourth) in the first round to win the leadership, so it wouldn't be totally unheard of for a third-place finisher in the first round of a major party's leadership election to end up winning.

It did not end well for him or the Liberals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_of_Canada_leadership_election,_2006#Convention_results

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« Reply #886 on: February 21, 2017, 11:10:22 PM »
« Edited: February 22, 2017, 12:27:27 AM by Castro »

Has a 3rd place 1st round candidate- ever ended winning?

In the 2009 RNC race, the 1st round was Duncan>Steele>Dawson. Although Dawson didn't win, he did take a slim plurality lead in the 5th round and became the finalist against Steele in the 6th and final round.

Also, Pope Francis reportedly was in 3rd place after the 1st round of voting.
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« Reply #887 on: February 22, 2017, 01:24:25 AM »

Has a 3rd place 1st round candidate- ever ended winning?

In the 2009 RNC race, the 1st round was Duncan>Steele>Dawson. Although Dawson didn't win, he did take a slim plurality lead in the 5th round and became the finalist against Steele in the 6th and final round.

Also, Pope Francis reportedly was in 3rd place after the 1st round of voting.

The fact that DNC pretty much ends after the 3rd round (due to mandatory dropout of the person with least votes).... hurts the chances of the consensus candidate scenario.
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« Reply #888 on: February 22, 2017, 07:48:38 AM »

Dean endorses Buttigieg.
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« Reply #889 on: February 22, 2017, 08:59:48 AM »

Buttigieg is the best choice. Ellison second.
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« Reply #890 on: February 22, 2017, 09:25:52 AM »

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/320553-ellison-holds-edge-in-dnc-race

Among 240 DNC members surveyed, Ellison has a 48-delegate lead over Perez. 105-57.
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« Reply #891 on: February 22, 2017, 09:33:12 AM »

Buttigieg is the best choice. Ellison second.

Agree
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« Reply #892 on: February 22, 2017, 09:36:42 AM »

Donald J. TrumpVerified account‏@realDonaldTrump  2h2 hours ago

 One thing I will say about Rep. Keith Ellison, in his fight to lead the DNC, is that he was the one who predicted early that I would win!
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« Reply #893 on: February 22, 2017, 09:42:58 AM »

The insulation in the Hill article was, Of the 447 DNC members:

No response/ not endorsed: 207

Keith Ellison: 105

Tom Perez: 57

Buttigieg: 10

Undecided: 50-55


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« Reply #894 on: February 22, 2017, 09:44:00 AM »

Donald J. TrumpVerified account‏@realDonaldTrump  2h2 hours ago

 One thing I will say about Rep. Keith Ellison, in his fight to lead the DNC, is that he was the one who predicted early that I would win!


Yeah, that's a legitimate point in Ellison's favour. It shows that he has a better sense of the direction of the country, and how to address it, than the Trump skeptics. His grand "I told you so" to me and everybody else who didn't believe him may as well come with the DNC Chairmanship
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« Reply #895 on: February 22, 2017, 09:44:37 AM »

The insulation in the Hill article was, Of the 447 DNC members:

No response/ not endorsed: 207

Keith Ellison: 105

Tom Perez: 57

Buttigieg: 10

Undecided: 50-55




I'm not sure who the Undecided are leaning towards (hopefully they are Buttigieg secret ballot voters who don't want to come out against the 2 frontrunners!)
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« Reply #896 on: February 22, 2017, 09:59:36 AM »
« Edited: February 22, 2017, 10:03:40 AM by SCNCmod »

Donald J. TrumpVerified account‏@realDonaldTrump  2h2 hours ago

 One thing I will say about Rep. Keith Ellison, in his fight to lead the DNC, is that he was the one who predicted early that I would win!


Yeah, that's a legitimate point in Ellison's favour. It shows that he has a better sense of the direction of the country, and how to address it, than the Trump skeptics. His grand "I told you so" to me and everybody else who didn't believe him may as well come with the DNC Chairmanship

I think there were many Dems (including myself) who knew Trump "could" have a rust belt sweep..  (When Hillary picked Kaine... I tweeted that it was a mistake not to pick Castro, who would have increase her chances of winning Florida & Arizona.. (both b/c he was latino & be was from a border state... as I thought she may need AZ & FL to blunt a potential rust belt Trump run).

But most who said Trump could win- were sort of hedging a worse case scenario... they weren't saying Trump Will win.  And having a sense of this direction... is not the same as knowing how to successfully address it (at the DNC level).  In fact the best DNC chair .. largely functions outside of policy political role- and instead focus on the strategic nuts and bolts of getting the infrastructure in place to win across the country.  This is what Dean was good at doing... and the one aspect of Ellison, that Dean has questioned.  (Ellison is a better Congressman... Buttigieg is the better strategic turnaround guy... as he has so successfully done...(as a Intelligence Officer) and with what use to be a failing midwest town (where he has over 1000 employees he manages).  

Buttigieg will offer a youthful fresh image to counter "Over 70, out of date" stigma of current Dem leaders.... And he offer the image of a DNC leader that was working in the mid west (& Middle east) ...  not serving in Washington.
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« Reply #897 on: February 22, 2017, 10:03:05 AM »

Has a 3rd place 1st round candidate- ever ended winning?

In the 2009 RNC race, the 1st round was Duncan>Steele>Dawson. Although Dawson didn't win, he did take a slim plurality lead in the 5th round and became the finalist against Steele in the 6th and final round.

Also, Pope Francis reportedly was in 3rd place after the 1st round of voting.

The fact that DNC pretty much ends after the 3rd round (due to mandatory dropout of the person with least votes).... hurts the chances of the consensus candidate scenario.

But there are 8 candidates, so hypothetically this could go 9 rounds.
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« Reply #898 on: February 22, 2017, 10:07:42 AM »

Has a 3rd place 1st round candidate- ever ended winning?

In the 2009 RNC race, the 1st round was Duncan>Steele>Dawson. Although Dawson didn't win, he did take a slim plurality lead in the 5th round and became the finalist against Steele in the 6th and final round.

Also, Pope Francis reportedly was in 3rd place after the 1st round of voting.

The fact that DNC pretty much ends after the 3rd round (due to mandatory dropout of the person with least votes).... hurts the chances of the consensus candidate scenario.

But there are 8 candidates, so hypothetically this could go 9 rounds.


I was actually thinking... if I was running Buttigieg's strategy- I would try see which of the other 5 candidates would prefer Buttigieg over Perez/Ellison.  And get them to stay in the race as long as possible to push it further rounds (vs 3-4 who only get a few votes...all dropping out in the 1st round)
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« Reply #899 on: February 22, 2017, 10:21:35 AM »

Good Buttigieg quote from his Twitter:

"The DNC will spin its wheels if we continue to treat the presidency like it's the only office that matters. The GOP didn't make this mistake."
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