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« Reply #900 on: February 22, 2017, 10:53:19 AM »

It shows that he has a better sense of the direction of the country, and how to address it, than the Trump skeptics. His grand "I told you so" to me and everybody else who didn't believe him may as well come with the DNC Chairmanship

I had not read Buttigieg's Essay when I commented earlier.... But regarding a little prophetic reasoning.... Here is the text of the essay Buttigeig wrote in High School, 17 years ago."

The link is:    https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=post;quote=5537382;topic=252168.925;num_replies=945;sesc=740778ea58cf20f179dfb881f9f6fc69

2000 Winner of the John F. Kennedy
Profile in Courage Essay Contest for High School Students


Bernie Sanders
By Peter Buttigieg
St. Joseph’s High School
South Bend, Indiana


In this new century, there are a daunting number of important issues which are to be confronted
if we are to progress as a nation. Each must be addressed thoroughly and energetically. But in
order to accomplish the collective goals of our society, we must first address how we deal with
issues. We must re-examine the psychological and political climate of American politics. As it
stands, our future is at risk due to a troubling tendency towards cynicism among voters and
elected officials. The successful resolution of every issue before us depends on the fundamental
question of public integrity.

A new attitude has swept American politics. Candidates have discovered that is easier to be
elected by not offending anyone rather than by impressing the voters. Politicians are rushing for
the center, careful not to stick their necks out on issues. Most Democrats shy away from the
word “liberal” like a horrid accusation. Republican presidential hopeful George W. Bush uses
the centrist rhetoric of “compassionate conservatism” while Pat Buchanan, once considered a
mainstream Republican, has been driven off the ideological edge of the G.O.P. Just as film
producers shoot different endings and let test audiences select the most pleasing, some
candidates run “test platforms” through sample groups to see which is most likely to win before
they speak out on major issue. This disturbing trend reveals cynicism, a double-sided problem,
which is perhaps, the greatest threat to the continued success of the American political system.
Cynical candidates have developed an ability to outgrow their convictions in order to win power.
Cynical citizens have given up on the election process, going to the polls at one of the lowest
rates in the democratic world. Such an atmosphere inevitably distances our society from its
leadership and is thus a fundamental threat to the principles of democracy. It also calls into
question what motivates a run for office – in many cases, apparently, only the desire to occupy it.
Fortunately for the political process, there remain a number of committed individuals who are
steadfast enough in their beliefs to run for office to benefit their fellow Americans. Such people
are willing to eschew political and personal comfort and convenience because they believe they
can make a difference. One outstanding and inspiring example of such integrity is the country’s
only Independent Congressman, Vermont’s Bernie Sanders.

Sanders’ courage is evident in the first word he uses to describe himself: “Socialist”. In a
country where Communism is still the dirtiest of ideological dirty words, in a climate where even
liberalism is considered radical, and Socialism is immediately and perhaps willfully confused
with Communism, a politician dares to call himself a socialist? He does indeed. Here is
someone who has “looked into his own soul” and expressed an ideology, the endorsement of
which, in today’s political atmosphere, is analogous to a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Even
though he has lived through a time in which an admitted socialist could not act in a film, let
alone hold a Congressional seat, Sanders is not afraid to be candid about his political persuasion.
After numerous political defeats in his traditionally Republican state, Sanders won the office of
mayor of Burlington by ten votes. A successful and popular mayor, he went on to win
Vermont’s one Congressional seat in 1990. Since then, he has taken many courageous and
politically risky stands on issues facing the nation. He has come under fire from various
conservative religious groups because of his support for same-sex marriages. His stance on gun
control led to NRA-organized media campaigns against him. Sanders has also shown creativity
in organizing drug-shopping trips to Canada for senior citizens to call attention to inflated drug
prices in the United States.

While impressive, Sanders’ candor does not itself represent political courage. The nation is
teeming with outspoken radicals in one form or another. Most are sooner called crazy than
courageous. It is the second half of Sanders’ political role that puts the first half into perspective:
he is a powerful force for conciliation and bi-partisanship on Capitol Hill. In Profiles in
Courage, John F. Kennedy wrote that “we should not be too hasty in condemning all
compromise as bad morals. For politics and legislation are not matters for inflexible principles
or unattainable ideals.” It may seem strange that someone so steadfast in his principles has a
reputation as a peacemaker between divided forces in Washington, but this is what makes
Sanders truly remarkable. He represents President Kennedy’s ideal of “compromises of issues,
not of principles.”

Sanders has used his unique position as the lone Independent Congressman to help Democrats
and Republicans force hearings on the internal structure of the International Monetary Fund,
which he sees as excessively powerful and unaccountable. He also succeeded in quietly
persuading reluctant Republicans and President Clinton to ban the import of products made by
under-age workers. Sanders drew some criticism from the far left when he chose to grudgingly
endorse President Clinton’s bids for election and re-election as President. Sanders explained that
while he disagreed with many of Clinton’s centrist policies, he felt that he was the best option for
America’s working class.

Sanders’ positions on many difficult issues are commendable, but his real impact has been as a
reaction to the cynical climate which threatens the effectiveness of the democratic system. His
energy, candor, conviction, and ability to bring people together stand against the current of
opportunism, moral compromise, and partisanship which runs rampant on the American political
scene. He and few others like him have the power to restore principle and leadership in
Congress and to win back the faith of a voting public weary and wary of political opportunism.
Above all, I commend Bernie Sanders for giving me an answer to those who say American
young people see politics as a cesspool of corruption, beyond redemption. I have heard that no
sensible young person today would want to give his or her life to public service. I can personally
assure you this is untrue.
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« Reply #901 on: February 22, 2017, 12:09:54 PM »

Ellison or Buttigieg will win.
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« Reply #902 on: February 22, 2017, 12:22:34 PM »

That survey from The Hill seems to have caused a great surge for Ellison on PredictIt, going from trailing Perez to leading him 56-41.
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« Reply #903 on: February 22, 2017, 12:50:56 PM »

Not only is Howard Dean endorsing Buttigieg, he is going to be nominating him for chair:

Howard Dean @GovHowardDean
Proud to be nominating Pete Buttigieg for chair of the DNC Saturday in Atlanta

This may run afoul of DNC procedure unless Dean gets an exemption, as only voting DNC members can nominate people.
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« Reply #904 on: February 22, 2017, 01:51:50 PM »

The AP has a whip count of:

Perez: 205
Ellison: 153
Harrison: 27
Boynton-Brown: 10
Buttigieg: 8

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« Reply #905 on: February 22, 2017, 02:16:05 PM »

Trump's pseudo-endorsement of Ellison isn't going to help.
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« Reply #906 on: February 22, 2017, 02:23:58 PM »

The AP has a whip count of:

Perez: 205
Ellison: 153
Harrison: 27
Boynton-Brown: 10
Buttigieg: 8

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If true, Boynton-Brown being ahead of Buttigieg justifies burning the DNC to the ground.
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« Reply #907 on: February 22, 2017, 02:33:21 PM »

It's 447 elites that made their chops mostly years ago. Taking this party back for the people is going to take a long time.
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« Reply #908 on: February 22, 2017, 02:54:13 PM »

I'm wondering if the CNN debate tonight will have any effect on this race.
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« Reply #909 on: February 22, 2017, 02:57:12 PM »

Who are these idiots in the DNC backing Brown over Buttigieg? Just, wtf.
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« Reply #910 on: February 22, 2017, 03:02:55 PM »

Who are these idiots in the DNC backing Brown over Buttigieg? Just, wtf.

To be fair, it is the DNC.

It honestly boggles me why they think Perez is best suited for DNC Chair. In Minnesota, there's no more statewide Republicans, and Ellison has won every election since 2004. Perez's highest level of elected office is county council.
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« Reply #911 on: February 22, 2017, 03:27:30 PM »

The AP has a whip count of:

Perez: 205
Ellison: 153
Harrison: 27
Boynton-Brown: 10
Buttigieg: 8

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« Reply #912 on: February 22, 2017, 03:57:18 PM »


It'll be a travesty if Perez is elected DNC Chair.
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« Reply #913 on: February 22, 2017, 04:02:34 PM »

I call bs on AP
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« Reply #914 on: February 22, 2017, 04:26:28 PM »
« Edited: February 22, 2017, 04:28:09 PM by Heisenberg »

BS (to the whip count). I'm pretty sure Perez has more.
Edit: Never mind, somehow I read Ellison as 205 and Perez at 153. Still, I expected both to be at around 210, and Buttigieg and Harrison's numbers to be flipped.
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« Reply #915 on: February 23, 2017, 12:04:34 PM »

POLITICO survey: DNC race is a nail-biter
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/democratic-national-committee-race-235292

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« Reply #916 on: February 23, 2017, 12:17:48 PM »

Surveys from Politico and The Hill imply an Ellison lead, while AP's count has many more DNC members accounted for and is probably more accurate. Many Perez people are going to take advantage of the secret ballot.
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« Reply #917 on: February 23, 2017, 12:44:14 PM »

Surveys from Politico and The Hill imply an Ellison lead, while AP's count has many more DNC members accounted for and is probably more accurate. Many Perez people are going to take advantage of the secret ballot.

I believe the AP estimate didn't actually survey DNC members, and the numbers came from an "unnamed source". So I trust Politico and The Hill because there's actual communication with voters there.
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« Reply #918 on: February 23, 2017, 12:49:14 PM »

To recap:

-Team Perez: Claims support of 180 members (Disputed by Team Ellison).

-Team Ellison: Claims support of 200 members, according to secondhand reports from Symone Sanders.

-The Hill (Survey of 240 members): Ellison 105, Perez 57, Other have less than 12 each, 50+ Undecided.

-Politico (Email survey of 176 members): Ellison (modest lead)>Perez>Undecided>Buttigieg? (unclear if he's in third, but he's far behind Perez) and Harrison/Boynton Brown/Green.

-AP (Whip count from independent Democratic strategists): Perez 205, Ellison 153, Harrison 27, Boynton Brown 10, Buttigieg 8, Greene 0, and presumably 44 undecided/unknown. (Count disputed by Team Ellison and Team Buttigieg, but stated as accurate by other campaigns).


Important to note: Counts from The Hill, Politico, and AP could all be accurate as some Perez people may be keeping their votes private. The AP count, however, cannot be accurate at the same time as Team Ellison's claimed number, so one of them is wrong.
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« Reply #919 on: February 23, 2017, 01:26:03 PM »

Long New Yorker Ellison profile. Little nugget: Obama is quite interested in the race and feels a responsibility to keep the seat in trusted hands.
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« Reply #920 on: February 23, 2017, 01:27:34 PM »

BREAKING on MSNBC: Jaime Harrison drops out and endorses Tom Perez
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« Reply #921 on: February 23, 2017, 01:27:34 PM »

Harrison drops out and endorses Perez.
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« Reply #922 on: February 23, 2017, 01:29:57 PM »

Just came to post this.

At first I thought Ellison would win hands down; but looks like Perez has it sealed. (feel free to quote this next week) As always internal elections are actually more interesting to see who's backing who- Dean/Rendell backing Buttigieg for example
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« Reply #923 on: February 23, 2017, 01:35:47 PM »

Just came to post this.

At first I thought Ellison would win hands down; but looks like Perez has it sealed. (feel free to quote this next week) As always internal elections are actually more interesting to see who's backing who- Dean/Rendell backing Buttigieg for example

If Perez wins this, I'll be genuinely infuriated. I will never register as a Democrat if their administration continues with these stupid games.
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« Reply #924 on: February 23, 2017, 01:37:30 PM »

Goddamn hacks.
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