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« Reply #1700 on: February 25, 2017, 05:06:13 PM »

Democratic registration just went down 10 percentage points.

Good one. Rank-and-file Democrats don't care that much about this.
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« Reply #1701 on: February 25, 2017, 05:07:00 PM »

I'm concerned about how eager the Sanders wing (again, this is coming from a guy who supported Sanders) is to label anyone who could in any way be associated with the "establishment" as an enemy. If we were talking about someone like Cuomo, the outrage would be justified, in my opinion. But Perez is now our worst enemy? I know progressives who started to hate Warren last year because she didn't endorse Sanders, and endorsed Clinton in June, before Sanders dropped out. Yes, f***ing Warren is a neoliberal corporate shill now. Are Sanders Democrats going to refuse to support someone like Sherrod Brown in 2020, who is obviously progressive, because he's "too close" to the establishment? Will they only go for candidates who piss off the old guards? If that's your only criteria, then get ready for a Democratic Trump to come along. Seriously, some people are worse about the word "establishment" than Wulfric is about the word "socalist."

I think the Democratic Party needs new leadership as much as anyone else. I'm pissed as hell that the old guards drove the party into a lake between 2008 and 2016, and seem 100% tone-deaf. Change needs to occur, but making the "Democratic establishment" your North Star, and then heading to the South Pole isn't the answer. The goal has to be about values and principles, and getting more people involved. Yes, when Democrats do sell out to corporate interests, and present themselves as "Republican lite", by all means, give them hell for it. However, don't label any Democrat supported by Obama or Clinton or an "establishment Democrat" the enemy, even if they share and promote progressive values.
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« Reply #1702 on: February 25, 2017, 05:15:38 PM »


He's right, they shouldn't leave the party. They need to conquer it, State after State, county after county.

Exactly!Using the same organizing tactics as the tea parties.

Indeed. It worked wonders for the GOP, no reason it won't for us.

That's assuming the state parties don't try to kneecap us, which they certainly will try to.

Well, didn't we just take over California and a few other State parties? I'm sure we can do the same elsewhere.

Except the California Democrats weren't prepared. Watch as the other state parties pass rules to kneecap Bernie supporters. They'd rather lose with the Third Wayer than win with a progressive.

How would they kneecap Bernie supporters? Abolish caucuses? Get out the vote efforts in minority-heavy areas? Yeah, really nefarious stuff. The Bernie wing is a large minority in the party, but a minority nonetheless.

And you still need this minority as well to win. Currently the "establishment" controls almost all major party posts.

Also, let's dispel with the fiction there's a permanent majority. When Sanders started running, he was believed to end us as an asterix candidate, guess where it came from there already.

I'm all for cooperation between the two wings, but it can't be one-sided.

I guess what I meant about them being the minority is that the honus is theirs to expand their influence within the party, not to blackmail the majority. One leads to them eventually getting the majority in the near future and getting to call the shots for the whole party, the other leads to being shut out of power for possibly several decades.
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« Reply #1703 on: February 25, 2017, 05:53:16 PM »

Democratic registration just went down 10 percentage points.

Good one. Rank-and-file Democrats don't care that much about this.

Enough do, the DNC just spat In their face. Congrats on Dems delusional thinking on continuing failed strategies.
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« Reply #1704 on: February 25, 2017, 06:18:32 PM »

Sherrod Brown is almost certainly going to lose in 2018. Don't know why people keep mentioning him.
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« Reply #1705 on: February 25, 2017, 06:20:20 PM »

Sherrod Brown is almost certainly going to lose in 2018. Don't know why people keep mentioning him.

What are you smoking? He's an incredibly talented politician whose likely opponent is somebody he beat by 6 points last time
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« Reply #1706 on: February 25, 2017, 06:22:19 PM »

So this is the new DNC Chair:

Could these morons possibly find anyone more divisive?  That was honestly the most sick, disgusting and dishonest thing the Clinton campaign did during the primary and this punk was behind it.  He can go f*** himself.
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« Reply #1707 on: February 25, 2017, 06:23:23 PM »

Sherrod Brown is almost certainly going to lose in 2018. Don't know why people keep mentioning him.

Surely having a race-baiting neoliberal in charge of the DNC will help Sherrod Brown.

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« Reply #1708 on: February 25, 2017, 06:23:29 PM »

So this is the new DNC Chair:

Could these morons possibly find anyone more divisive?  That was honestly the most sick, disgusting and dishonest thing the Clinton campaign did during the primary and this punk was behind it.  He can go f*** himself.

As I said, disgrace to mankind.
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« Reply #1709 on: February 25, 2017, 06:23:56 PM »

So this is the new DNC Chair:

Could these morons possibly find anyone more divisive?  That was honestly the most sick, disgusting and dishonest thing the Clinton campaign did during the primary and this punk was behind it.  He can go f*** himself.

Didn't Sanders also say that Clinton was unqualified to be Commander in chief?
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« Reply #1710 on: February 25, 2017, 06:24:19 PM »

Unity! Smiley
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« Reply #1711 on: February 25, 2017, 06:25:58 PM »

What is Shadowproof?  Is this an updated version of CommonDreams? 
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« Reply #1712 on: February 25, 2017, 06:26:32 PM »

Sad

if only we had Buckley-mentum.
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« Reply #1713 on: February 25, 2017, 06:29:29 PM »

there is sooo much BS about ellison on the web.......depends more on the question if one wants to be insulted, imho.
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« Reply #1714 on: February 25, 2017, 06:38:36 PM »


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i like perez more each second.
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« Reply #1715 on: February 25, 2017, 06:41:39 PM »


Please don't tell me you guys are actually stupid enough to be successfully trolled by Donald Trump.
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« Reply #1716 on: February 25, 2017, 06:44:43 PM »


Man, he'd have been solid. Oh well.
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« Reply #1717 on: February 25, 2017, 06:47:03 PM »


Please don't tell me you guys are actually stupid enough to be successfully trolled by Donald Trump.

trump has no clue who ellison or perez are and would have written the same anyway.
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« Reply #1718 on: February 25, 2017, 06:49:03 PM »

Lots of chairs being thrown ITT
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« Reply #1719 on: February 25, 2017, 06:51:38 PM »


Please don't tell me you guys are actually stupid enough to be successfully trolled by Donald Trump.

trump has no clue who ellison or perez are and would have written the same anyway.

Obviously, I mean I'm sure someone is going to take that tweet as proof Perez is a closet Republican or something.  *sigh*
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« Reply #1720 on: February 25, 2017, 06:57:03 PM »

Bernie Bros -sour grapes and sore losers.
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« Reply #1721 on: February 25, 2017, 06:57:47 PM »

Bernie Bros -sour  grapes and sore losers.

Your side has 100% control of the party, but have fun losing without us.
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« Reply #1722 on: February 25, 2017, 06:58:02 PM »

So this is the new DNC Chair:

Could these morons possibly find anyone more divisive?  That was honestly the most sick, disgusting and dishonest thing the Clinton campaign did during the primary and this punk was behind it.  He can go f*** himself.

Didn't Sanders also say that Clinton was unqualified to be Commander in chief?

No offense, but are you stupid or something?  This clown, after the New Hampshire primary sent Podesta an email saying that Bernie may have the youth vote but we can try and create a narrative that he only has the white youth vote, which would play well in South Carolina (his exact words).

This is Dirty Politics 101, the kind of tactics I usually expect from Republicans, not someone leading the Democratic party.  It is dishonest because I am sure this punk knows Bernie wasn't racist, and extremely hurtful to many progressives who were portrayed essentially as white supremacists.

If you're happy with this a-hole, fine, be my guest.  But Perez doesn't give a f*** for anyone but himself and his bosses.
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« Reply #1723 on: February 25, 2017, 06:59:23 PM »

Bernie Bros -sour grapes and sore losers.

Goodbye punk.  Keep insulting people.  It will surely help you win elections.  Pathetic.
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« Reply #1724 on: February 25, 2017, 06:59:44 PM »

So this is the new DNC Chair:

Could these morons possibly find anyone more divisive?  That was honestly the most sick, disgusting and dishonest thing the Clinton campaign did during the primary and this punk was behind it.  He can go f*** himself.

Didn't Sanders also say that Clinton was unqualified to be Commander in chief?

No offense, but are you stupid or something?  This clown, after the New Hampshire primary sent Podesta an email saying that Bernie may have the youth vote but we can try and create a narrative that he only has the white youth vote, which would play well in South Carolina (his exact words).

This is Dirty Politics 101, the kind of tactics I usually expect from Republicans, not someone leading the Democratic party.  It is dishonest because I am sure this punk knows Bernie wasn't racist, and extremely hurtful to many progressives who were portrayed essentially as white supremacists.

If you're happy with this a-hole, fine, be my guest.  But Perez doesn't give a f*** for anyone but himself and his bosses.

Aren't American Politics ugly ?

I read something about the Southern Democrats breaking off from the National Democratic Party during the 1948 election, and of course, the 1964 election with the Daisy Ad.
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