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« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2016, 05:53:38 PM »
« edited: November 11, 2016, 06:02:03 PM by Foolish but Free »

The election was rigged!

Oh wait, I guess not because Trump won. It would only have been rigged if Hillary won. But since she's the one who got the shaft, then everything is OK.

Even the electoral college -- something Trump said was a "disaster for democracy" -- is OK now.

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« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2016, 06:18:11 PM »

They say that Comey clearing them on Sunday hurt them too? LOL, how about taking some responsibility for their loss.
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« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2016, 06:28:18 PM »
« Edited: November 11, 2016, 11:40:06 PM by ProgressiveCanadian »

The Clinton campaign still not learning their lesson.
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« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2016, 06:33:37 PM »

The Clinton campaign still not learning there lesson.

As an editor, I must correct you.

The proper word is "their" lesson, not "there" lesson.

And at this point, what does it matter? Some of us need to vent and that's what we're doing.

At least we aren't sore "winners" like some of the people on this board, one specifically who is calling Hillary a bitch. WTF? That guy needs to be banned.
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« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2016, 06:45:53 PM »

Well, I'm sure this had an effect on the race and you could probably say it made the difference in raw votes, but the question is: did it make a difference in raw votes in the places that mattered? If you go the path of least resistance, then we lost because 60,000 Obama 2012 voters in PA/WI/MI flipped to Trump. I'm not sure based on where and who we lost that the Comey letter caused that. If anything, it shrank our margins and nerfed support in many suburban areas among GOP leaners, but it probably wasn't enough to matter in those states (maybe in PA).
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« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2016, 06:47:19 PM »

Well, I'm sure this had an effect on the race and you could probably say it made the difference in raw votes, but the question is: did it make a difference in raw votes in the places that mattered? If you go the path of least resistance, then we lost because 60,000 Obama 2012 voters in PA/WI/MI flipped to Trump. I'm not sure based on where and who we lost that the Comey letter caused that. If anything, it shrank our margins and nerfed support in many suburban areas among GOP leaners, but it probably wasn't enough to matter in those states (maybe in PA).

And of course Trump could blame the pussy tape for losing NH. Those angry women wouldn't have come through for Hillary otherwise.
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« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2016, 08:03:34 PM »

Was the email thing a dumb, tedious, over-exaggerated scandal?  YES.

Was the Comey letter a despicable interference in the election?  YES.

Did the Comey letter cost Clinton a few points in a razor-thin margin election? YES.

Was the Comey letter the only or even the major reason why Clinton lost?  HELL NO.

She was running flush with cash against Donald freaking Trump.  A generic Democrat in her shoes should win by Obama 08 levels.

1) It's a testament to what a horrible candidate she is that she lost
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2) The Democrats had no business crowding out the field, then nominating a candidate with such potentially toxic downsides.

Yup, I think that is a more balanced perspective.

Hillary is insulting our intelligence if she thinks that cost her the election. Never underestimate our ability to smell a thinly veiled excuse.
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« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2016, 08:11:41 PM »

Well, Clinton run a terrible campaign and lost because of many other reasons.

If she was running a great campaign, the Comey letter would have reduced her margin, but she would have won regardless.

The question: Was Clinton barely winning and was Comey letter just enough to tilt the election to Trump?
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« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2016, 08:13:22 PM »

Yes it is. But it's more like the final straw that wasn't immediately countered by something else really bad on Trump. If it hadn't come up at that time, she probably would've just clinched Arizona, Georgia, Florida, and NC to offset any Midwest losses.

However, her victory would've been utterly marred because of the other unfavorables. At best, she'd would've ended up like Bush Sr and just a had mediocre presidency in frustrating gridlock...only to be taken out in 2020, a loss far costlier  than this.

At worst, she'd end up like Richard Nixon [instead she's more like Richard Nixon was to Democrats before Watergate] and actually do something awful out of sheer paranoia.


Well, Clinton run a terrible campaign and lost because of many other reasons.

If she was running a great campaign, the Comey letter would have reduced her margin, but she would have won regardless.

The question: Was Clinton barely winning and was Comey letter just enough to tilt the election to Trump?

The answer is obviously yes.


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« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2016, 08:26:38 PM »
« Edited: November 11, 2016, 08:30:22 PM by pppolitics »

However, her victory would've been utterly marred because of the other unfavorables. At best, she'd would've ended up like Bush Sr and just a had mediocre presidency in frustrating gridlock...only to be taken out in 2020, a loss far costlier  than this.

At worst, she'd end up like Richard Nixon [instead she's more like Richard Nixon was to Democrats before Watergate] and actually do something awful out of sheer paranoia.

I don't know what's worse: losing now or losing later.

Even if Comey didn't sent the letter and even if she barely won, Republicans would likely run a half-sane opponent and beat her in 2020.
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« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2016, 08:38:36 PM »

However, her victory would've been utterly marred because of the other unfavorables. At best, she'd would've ended up like Bush Sr and just a had mediocre presidency in frustrating gridlock...only to be taken out in 2020, a loss far costlier  than this.

At worst, she'd end up like Richard Nixon [instead she's more like Richard Nixon was to Democrats before Watergate] and actually do something awful out of sheer paranoia.

I don't know what's worse: losing now or losing later.

Even if Comey didn't sent the letter and even if she barely won, Republicans would likely run a half-sane opponent and beat her in 2020.

Probably, but at least she would have gotten a reasonable Supreme Court Justice nominated and possibly taken action to fix (and thereby protect) Obamacare.
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« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2016, 08:39:45 PM »

Nasty woman lost because nasty woman hates America.

News at 9!
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« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2016, 09:30:28 PM »

However, her victory would've been utterly marred because of the other unfavorables. At best, she'd would've ended up like Bush Sr and just a had mediocre presidency in frustrating gridlock...only to be taken out in 2020, a loss far costlier  than this.

At worst, she'd end up like Richard Nixon [instead she's more like Richard Nixon was to Democrats before Watergate] and actually do something awful out of sheer paranoia.

I don't know what's worse: losing now or losing later.

Even if Comey didn't sent the letter and even if she barely won, Republicans would likely run a half-sane opponent and beat her in 2020.

Probably, but at least she would have gotten a reasonable Supreme Court Justice nominated and possibly taken action to fix (and thereby protect) Obamacare.

There is no fix of obamacare, it is a completely flawed system - I like what the ACA did with pre-existing & no gender discrimination but as a macro guy for obvious reasons the costs are only going to explode!
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« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2016, 09:59:46 PM »


If a letter had been sent to Congress from the FBI, 11 days before the election, "implying" that there might be a smoking gun against Trump, "We just have to check a few things out first and we'll get back to you", what would Trump have done?

He would have yelled "Rigged Election!!!!!" that they could hear all around the world. And if Hillary had actually won the election, how many law suits would Trump have filed because the election was "rigged"?

That letter was utter bullsh**t! Don't tell me it didn't have an effect.



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« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2016, 10:45:53 PM »

However, her victory would've been utterly marred because of the other unfavorables. At best, she'd would've ended up like Bush Sr and just a had mediocre presidency in frustrating gridlock...only to be taken out in 2020, a loss far costlier  than this.

At worst, she'd end up like Richard Nixon [instead she's more like Richard Nixon was to Democrats before Watergate] and actually do something awful out of sheer paranoia.

I don't know what's worse: losing now or losing later.

Even if Comey didn't sent the letter and even if she barely won, Republicans would likely run a half-sane opponent and beat her in 2020.

Probably, but at least she would have gotten a reasonable Supreme Court Justice nominated and possibly taken action to fix (and thereby protect) Obamacare.

Most importantly of all, it would mean no President Trump, who I think will be one of the biggest calamities in this country's history.
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« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2016, 11:42:21 PM »

Nasty woman lost because nasty woman hates America.

News at 9!

Oh dear god a past deplorible has crawled out of its cave!
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« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2016, 12:04:43 AM »

No.
In the run-up of the election day, the so-called quality pollsters (like Quinnipiac, Monmouth, etc) showed a comeback for Clinton at around 3-6 pts.
This could be a factor, but not an important one.
The main reason is increased white turnout in rural states + dissatisfaction among grassroots with Obama's policies + shy Trump effect in polls (so Clinton would overestimate herself's chances to win) + decreased black turnout as Obama was no longer on the ballots + some swing state people would eye for a drastic change of the republic's direction.
In addition, Clinton was not as 'high-energy' as Obama and Trump from what I've seen in the campaign photos.
It is unfair to point the sole finger to Comey, though he did damage Clinton's campaign by a little.
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« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2016, 12:33:01 AM »
« Edited: November 12, 2016, 01:45:21 AM by Lincoln Republican »

Clinton lost because the Democrats greatly over estimated their support in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.  People in these Rust Belt states were angry with the status quo, and they wanted change, obviously, Clinton could not affect this change.

Clinton never stepped foot in Wisconsin since the convention.

The Democrats kept attacking Trump, instead of giving Americans a positive reason to vote for Clinton.

The Democrats spent valuable resources in states they did not need to win, like Arizona, instead of spending these resources in Wisconsin, for example.

The Democrats, AS ALWAYS, took the black vote for granted, but this year, black voters did not show up in sufficient numbers to swing  crucial states to Clinton.  They were not enthusiastic about her candidacy.

Accepting $225,000 per speech to speak to the corporate fat cats at Goldman Sachs on Wall Street.  How does this relate to working men and women?  How does this relate to unemployed people in the Rust Belt?

Corporate fat cats do not pay $225,000 per speech to someone without expecting something in return.

Calling 25% of Americans Deplorables.

No, Clinton's E-mail Gate and Comey did not defeat Clinton.  Democrats are using Comey as a scape goat and a cover to deflect from the incompetence of their campaign and from the ineptness and the untrustworthiness of Clinton.

Hillary Clinton defeated herself.  She was a terrible and incompetent candidate.  





 
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« Reply #43 on: November 12, 2016, 12:36:29 AM »

If the Comey letter was the reason you lost, Mrs Clinton, then why the hell were you campaigning in Michigan in early October after the debates? In Detroit, no less. Folks, their internals had to be picking up on something there for them to even be wasting time there.
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« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2016, 02:45:19 AM »

I don't know.  Who can be sure that the polls a week out, even internals, were any more reliable than lots of polls that had her ahead on the 7th?  When I look at exits, I get the impression that lots of different things push lots of different voters' buttons.  Maybe in some blowout races it was one big thing that decided the matter.  In close, national ones like this, I tend to believe it was a lot of different things.
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