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« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2016, 02:36:44 PM »

Probably, but there are two troubling factors in play:

1. Putin makes mistakes like everyone else.
2. Putin may not be able to stop due due to internal factors.
Contrary to popular stereotypes, there is little popular support in Russia for serious wars or conquest of unwilling foreign countries. As for mistakes, reducing the current level of tension would make the effects of these mistakes less costly
 
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Yes, but the combination of EU and US influence, plus popular anti-Russian feelings in nearly all Eastern European countries, makes this very unlikely. Even Belarus is trying to balance between the EU and Russia.
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« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2016, 03:17:45 PM »

the transition of power in the Russian revolution, being by force, was illegitimate. There is no comparison to, say, our revolution.

Jesus Christ, Sanchez.
Only legitimate transfers of power should be recognized. The American Revolution was one. The Glorious Revolution was another. The secession of the CSA can even be legally justified (though, of course, not nearly as much as the subsequent reconquest and repatriation by the Union). These were totally different animals compared to the Russian Revolution or the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany, where existing albeit flawed state structures were overthrown either by force or just general intimidation.

Sorry, but you're not applying any sort of coherent standard here.
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« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2016, 04:12:22 PM »

the transition of power in the Russian revolution, being by force, was illegitimate. There is no comparison to, say, our revolution.

Jesus Christ, Sanchez.
Only legitimate transfers of power should be recognized. The American Revolution was one. The Glorious Revolution was another. The secession of the CSA can even be legally justified (though, of course, not nearly as much as the subsequent reconquest and repatriation by the Union). These were totally different animals compared to the Russian Revolution or the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany, where existing albeit flawed state structures were overthrown either by force or just general intimidation.

Sorry, but you're not applying any sort of coherent standard here.
I think it's a pretty coherent standard. "Legitimate transfer of power" simply means a revolution sanchez happens to agree with.
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« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2016, 04:41:45 PM »

Does he realize President of Austria doesn't have an actual power?

Wonderful. I look forward to renewed detante with Putin.

I wonder who are you going to throw under the bus? Would that be my folks? The Baltic Republics? Or maybe just the rest of Ukraine.

There is no comparision with 1970s Detente, which was a right and logic move, an appeasing Putin now.

fascists don't tend to care about what they're constitutionally allowed to do.
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« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2016, 09:05:16 PM »

It isn't naive because I don't care. I'm not dying for some Estonian. And of course, the USSR was not a legitimate successor to the Russian Empire and the transition of power in the Russian revolution, being by force, was illegitimate. There is no comparison to, say, our revolution. So any and all of the precedents set by the USSR are out the window.

Ummmm, uhhhh, come again? This is Special Pleading at it's worst.
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