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  Which of these failed Democratic primary candidates would have won?
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Alan Grayson (Florida)
 
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Baron Hill (Indiana) (actually won, but stepped aside for Bayh)
 
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P.G. Sittenfeld (Ohio)
 
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Joe Sestak (Pennsylvania)
 
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Jonathan Swinton (Utah)
 
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NOTA
 
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« on: November 12, 2016, 04:53:22 PM »

I only included the more high-profile ones.
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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2016, 04:56:55 PM »

Maybe Sestak, definitely not any of the others.
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2016, 05:47:00 PM »

Honestly, I don't think any of them would have won or really done any better than the person who did win the primary. Maybe Jonathan Swinton would have done slightly better than Misty Snow, but in no way would he have actually won.
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2016, 05:48:58 PM »

Democrats this year made the same mistake Republicans did in 2012 regarding Senate candidates. They assumed they could just pull some old brand-name politician off the shelf and the voters would buy it unquestioningly. In 2012, this was Tommy Thompson and George Allen. This year, it was Ted Strickland and Evan Bayh and Russ Feingold.

The amount of trust American voters have in institutions and insiders is at such a structural low at this point that I think it's time to start viewing time spent in elected office as a liability past a certain point. Democrats need to start finding non-traditional candidates in places like the military and private sector business.
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2016, 05:51:15 PM »

100% confident Sestak would have won. Maybe a 10% chance for Baron Hill. Sittenfeld, Swinton, and Grayson would definitely have lost.
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2016, 06:57:52 PM »

Democrats this year made the same mistake Republicans did in 2012 regarding Senate candidates. They assumed they could just pull some old brand-name politician off the shelf and the voters would buy it unquestioningly. In 2012, this was Tommy Thompson and George Allen. This year, it was Ted Strickland and Evan Bayh and Russ Feingold.

The amount of trust American voters have in institutions and insiders is at such a structural low at this point that I think it's time to start viewing time spent in elected office as a liability past a certain point. Democrats need to start finding non-traditional candidates in places like the military and private sector business.

Not sure about the last line, but generally I agree. It's better to have a high-quality candidate than a candidate with a lot of name recognition beforehand. This applies at the presidential level too; all the successful non-incumbent Democratic nominees recently have been little-known people beforehand: Carter, B. Clinton, Obama. The big names like Mondale, Gore, and H. Clinton have failed. (I'm not sure how well-known Dukakis and Kerry were.)
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2016, 09:11:39 PM »

Maybe Sestak, but I'm doubtful. I think NOTA
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2016, 09:12:59 PM »

Maybe Sestak, definitely not any of the others.
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2016, 09:29:23 PM »

Fetterman may have done even better than Sestak, TBH.
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2016, 09:40:45 PM »

People who say Sestak are blissfully Ignorant of his behavior this cycle. He would've gone down in flames ala Ted Strickland.
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2016, 11:01:09 PM »

Sestak possibly, and I'm sure Grayson would've held Rubio's feet to the fire better.

Utah never goes D so forget that, and we've seen how Young vs Hill matches go.

That said, the straight-ticketing is so strong that lots of the actual winners probably would've gone down with trump if not for Comeyghazi.

In fact, I'm pretty sure only Bayh would've been screwed.
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2016, 12:58:58 AM »

Fetterman may have done even better than Sestak, TBH.
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2016, 01:19:36 AM »

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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2016, 01:23:10 AM »

People who say Sestak are blissfully Ignorant of his behavior this cycle. He would've gone down in flames ala Ted Strickland.

What did he do?
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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2016, 01:24:54 AM »

Grayson debating Rubio would've been interesting to watch, tbh.
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« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2016, 08:22:50 AM »

People who say Sestak are blissfully Ignorant of his behavior this cycle. He would've gone down in flames ala Ted Strickland.

What did he do?

he did a walking tour of the state thinking he was Lawton Chiles, he went on insane tangents during the debates, and overall sounded pretty nutty.
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« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2016, 05:44:47 PM »

Joe Sestak. De La Fuente and Pam Keith both might have done better and perhaps, on an off chance, won.

If you make a GOP version, I'd list all of the Colorado GOP candidates.
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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2016, 05:54:04 PM »

Sestak. Hill could've make it actually more competitive, judging from final results.

Grayson would be decimated by the Lavenous Man.
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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2016, 08:59:25 PM »

Joe Sestak would have beaten Toomey in a rematch, most likely. McGinty was just not a great candidate.
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« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2016, 10:59:05 AM »

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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2016, 03:37:35 PM »

Only Sestak would have had a chance. Maybe he could have done better than Hillary in the non-Pittsburgh, non-Philly part of the state.
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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2016, 04:31:53 PM »

Sestak, maybe Sittenfield. That's it. Everyone else would have done as bad or worse.

Even Swinton in Utah would have been hovering around 30% of the vote, which means nothing.
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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2016, 04:33:20 PM »

Sittenfield could have made it negligibly closer, but that's about it.
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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2016, 05:13:45 PM »

Sestak for sure.
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