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« on: November 13, 2016, 12:37:18 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2016, 04:30:02 AM »

No, Dennis Rodman will prevent WWIII in the Korean Peninsula sometime during his administration.
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2016, 07:52:03 AM »

No, but who would risk to f**k with Donald now?
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2016, 09:04:11 AM »
« Edited: November 13, 2016, 09:05:42 AM by Shah of Bratpuhr »

Unlikely.
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2016, 11:38:26 AM »

Considering Donald Trump doesn't want to live in a world where he'd need to change his $4 bil to bottlecaps ASAP, no.
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2016, 11:48:21 AM »

no, but he will cause the risk of proliferation to increase.
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2016, 02:03:28 PM »

Nobody here actually has any idea what Trump will do as President. So, maybe. Considering his first priority is likely to still be his business holdings, since that's how his campaign was run, probably not. Nuclear war won't make his properties gain value.
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2016, 02:40:55 PM »

I hope not.  He is unpredictable.  I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2016, 03:11:08 PM »

Nuclear proliferation is going to be an issue. Maybe He will not use nuclear weapons, but he is creating a World Order and Polity that basically gives the middle finger to a system of economics and policy that was a reaction to the creation of nuclear weapons. Basically, His election was the ultimate vote of confidence that no nuclear weapons will ever be used again.
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2016, 05:16:36 PM »

No, Hillary wanted WWIII with Russia, Trump is a man of peace.
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2016, 07:57:25 PM »

Yes (in the sense of plausibility, not inevitability). The target will be Iran.
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2016, 08:30:31 AM »

Yes (in the sense of plausibility, not inevitability). The target will be Iran.
Not Iran but maybe a place Putin will allow him to. I can see him using it on "terrorists". I give him a 10% chance of using nukes and about a 60% chance of starting another way. I would say the biggest threat is that there will be more nuclear proliferation.
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2016, 02:11:21 PM »

like i've said before, there's about a 10-25% chance of this. unlikely, but infinitely less so than with any other post-cold-war president(ial candidate)
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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2016, 02:20:23 PM »

no, but he will cause the risk of proliferation to increase.

This. His business holdings would be too harmed by a nuclear exchange. it's insane we have to rationalize it that way, but there it is. Of the many things that bother me about Trump, this idea that he's going to usher in a nuclear Armageddon is low.

However, proliferation will increase, which is very, very bad. Saudi Arabia is not a country I'd trust with atomic capabilities (neither is Iran, which is why I hope and pray Trump doesn't do anything dumb there)
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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2016, 04:20:42 PM »

I can also see Brazil, Germany, Poland, Italy, South Korea, and Japan pursuing nuclear weapons. Perhaps even Australia, Taiwan, Canada and Mexico.
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« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2016, 09:05:12 PM »

Not likely.

I think he's already starting to realize that he's in way over his head, and wouldn't want to make things harder than he needs it to be.
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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2016, 10:26:42 AM »

No, I'm holding out hope that candidate Trump is different from president Trump.
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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2016, 10:48:39 AM »

No. I don’t see this coming despite his many flaws.
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« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2016, 12:14:39 PM »

Nuclear proliferation is going to be an issue. Maybe He will not use nuclear weapons, but he is creating a World Order and Polity that basically gives the middle finger to a system of economics and policy that was a reaction to the creation of nuclear weapons. Basically, His election was the ultimate vote of confidence that no nuclear weapons will ever be used again.

Wow, only a few days of being president elect and he's already reached divinely capitalised pronouns.

The problem with trump is:

- he's a nationalist. One of the key reasons that war doesn't happen very much is because of the global economy. A US-China war, for insyance, even if it avoided population centres would cause economic chaos unless the US government launched a huge stimulus program of rearmament. If the economies are disentangled, both Chinese and American crazies are emboldened.
- he breeds uncertainty. Nuclear brinkmanship is an incredibly dangerous atrategy. If you successfully make your enemy believe you are crazy enough to launch missiles, they may panic and overreact themselves. This counts for people down the chain of command as well - has anybody heard the story of the Cold War Soviet officer who avoided WW3 by not ordering retaliation against incoming missiles that turned out to be Norwegian weather balloons?
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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2016, 12:17:05 PM »

It would be ironic if this happened since Hillary was the one accused of being a warhawk.
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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2016, 12:51:50 PM »

It would be ironic if this happened since Hillary was the one accused of being a warhawk.

She is.
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« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2016, 09:35:46 PM »

Nuclear proliferation is going to be an issue. Maybe He will not use nuclear weapons, but he is creating a World Order and Polity that basically gives the middle finger to a system of economics and policy that was a reaction to the creation of nuclear weapons. Basically, His election was the ultimate vote of confidence that no nuclear weapons will ever be used again.

Wow, only a few days of being president elect and he's already reached divinely capitalised pronouns.

The problem with trump is:

- he's a nationalist. One of the key reasons that war doesn't happen very much is because of the global economy. A US-China war, for insyance, even if it avoided population centres would cause economic chaos unless the US government launched a huge stimulus program of rearmament. If the economies are disentangled, both Chinese and American crazies are emboldened.
- he breeds uncertainty. Nuclear brinkmanship is an incredibly dangerous atrategy. If you successfully make your enemy believe you are crazy enough to launch missiles, they may panic and overreact themselves. This counts for people down the chain of command as well - has anybody heard the story of the Cold War Soviet officer who avoided WW3 by not ordering retaliation against incoming missiles that turned out to be Norwegian weather balloons?

I would even go so far as to say nuclear weapons are at least partially responsible for globalism. What else can you do to provide for the common welfare if war leads to MAD? It forces you to make deals and try to like people.

  It appears Nationalism is rising as the passage of time from the Cold War's nuclear threat couples with globalism's diminishing returns makes people elect leaders who want to "go it alone".
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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2016, 06:12:01 PM »

Not likely.
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« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2016, 04:16:57 PM »


A theory to why National Populism is becoming popular could be that it was discredited with the advent of nuclear weapons and as they have gone unused, they have lost credibility as a deterrent. Therefore, National Populism is now suddenly a credible ideology again because we can have the same world, with rampant Nationalism, we had  just before we had nukes because no one will actually ever use them.
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« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2016, 04:17:49 PM »

Nuclear proliferation is going to be an issue. Maybe He will not use nuclear weapons, but he is creating a World Order and Polity that basically gives the middle finger to a system of economics and policy that was a reaction to the creation of nuclear weapons. Basically, His election was the ultimate vote of confidence that no nuclear weapons will ever be used again.

Wow, only a few days of being president elect and he's already reached divinely capitalised pronouns.

The problem with trump is:

- he's a nationalist. One of the key reasons that war doesn't happen very much is because of the global economy. A US-China war, for insyance, even if it avoided population centres would cause economic chaos unless the US government launched a huge stimulus program of rearmament. If the economies are disentangled, both Chinese and American crazies are emboldened.
- he breeds uncertainty. Nuclear brinkmanship is an incredibly dangerous atrategy. If you successfully make your enemy believe you are crazy enough to launch missiles, they may panic and overreact themselves. This counts for people down the chain of command as well - has anybody heard the story of the Cold War Soviet officer who avoided WW3 by not ordering retaliation against incoming missiles that turned out to be Norwegian weather balloons?

I would even go so far as to say nuclear weapons are at least partially responsible for globalism. What else can you do to provide for the common welfare if war leads to MAD? It forces you to make deals and try to like people.

  It appears Nationalism is rising as the passage of time from the Cold War's nuclear threat couples with globalism's diminishing returns makes people elect leaders who want to "go it alone".

Bur MAD has been a defunct ideology for some time now...
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