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« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2016, 09:02:12 PM »

Probably, definitely Arizona.
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« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2016, 10:34:44 PM »

Should Democrats target AZ and GA in 2020?

Both state trended Democratic despite Hillary being a terrible candidate.

In fact, AZ and GA were closer than IA and OH.
I think you're ignoring that Trump was also a poor candidate, especially for these two states that have large metro areas with a large suburban white population that will likely swing back to the GOP in 2020. Arizona is more promising for Democrats than Georgia.
A "poor candidate" doesn't crack the electoral walls in WI, MI, and PA.  That's not the resume of a "poor candidate".

I agree that AZ is more promising than GA, but GA is increasing its black population at a rapid rate, and it's a more middle class black population that votes more often.  It's white population is also changing, and becoming (slowly) more liberal, as white working professionals move into metro Atlanta. 

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/11/01/white-voter-registration-sinks-below-57-percent-in-georgia/
http://onlineathens.com/local-news-uga-mobile/2016-06-21/georgia-growth-super-concentrated-atlanta-half-states-counties-are

- Whites are down over 90K in Georgia since 2012, the only group in decline.
- Half of the state's counties are losing population.

https://www.georgiapol.com/2016/11/09/cobb-county-trumpophobic/
https://www.georgiapol.com/2016/11/10/analysis-election-gwinnett/

Henry County was expected to flip to Clinton, but no mainstream experts expected Gwinnett to, never mind Cobb. The white vote is a little flexible it seems in Georgia, at least in Atlanta.

How rapid is that rural flight in rural Georgia?
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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2016, 12:56:04 AM »

Should Democrats target AZ and GA in 2020?

Both state trended Democratic despite Hillary being a terrible candidate.

In fact, AZ and GA were closer than IA and OH.
I think you're ignoring that Trump was also a poor candidate, especially for these two states that have large metro areas with a large suburban white population that will likely swing back to the GOP in 2020. Arizona is more promising for Democrats than Georgia.
A "poor candidate" doesn't crack the electoral walls in WI, MI, and PA.  That's not the resume of a "poor candidate".

I agree that AZ is more promising than GA, but GA is increasing its black population at a rapid rate, and it's a more middle class black population that votes more often.  It's white population is also changing, and becoming (slowly) more liberal, as white working professionals move into metro Atlanta. 

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/11/01/white-voter-registration-sinks-below-57-percent-in-georgia/
http://onlineathens.com/local-news-uga-mobile/2016-06-21/georgia-growth-super-concentrated-atlanta-half-states-counties-are

- Whites are down over 90K in Georgia since 2012, the only group in decline.
- Half of the state's counties are losing population.

https://www.georgiapol.com/2016/11/09/cobb-county-trumpophobic/
https://www.georgiapol.com/2016/11/10/analysis-election-gwinnett/

Henry County was expected to flip to Clinton, but no mainstream experts expected Gwinnett to, never mind Cobb. The white vote is a little flexible it seems in Georgia, at least in Atlanta.

How rapid is that rural flight in rural Georgia?
About the same like most southern states most of the growth are in metros areas. Our black belt is loosing population not a good thing for Democrats but if they're move to Atlanta they probably more incline to vote.
http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/georgia/population-growth#chart
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« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2016, 03:42:35 AM »

Of course they should.
AZ is within 5 points and GA trended significantly D.
They worth 27 Electoral votes.
In exchange, Dems could abandon IA, which only has 6 EVs. I could foresee a double-digit win for Trump in 2020.
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« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2016, 04:47:06 AM »

Of course they should. AZ and GA replace OH and IA with change. It is a double edged sword however, as losing them would leave the Democrats stranded unless they took back states like Michigan and Wisconsin.
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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2016, 05:24:04 AM »

I hope so, cause I love them wasting money.
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« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2021, 06:03:40 PM »

Turns out they did and won both states


The Democratic Party—while and after getting rid of their old guard and antiquated establishment careerists—should target the entire nation with a modern New Deal-type party. By doing that, they would not be limited in being designed to merely carry up to 30 states and District of Columbia with winning presidential elections.

As a rather good journalist on Twitter (who I can't remember pointed out) the New Deal stopped legislating in 1938; lost it's majority in 1946 and then got destroyed in 1952.

To a much lesser degree the Obama Coalition was like the New Deal- based around one figure

I mean you could argue 1946, 1952 and 1956 were the only real GOP wins from 1932-1968
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« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2021, 06:10:40 PM »

I hope so, cause I love them wasting money.

Avocados age better than this take.
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« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2021, 11:30:00 AM »

I hope so, cause I love them wasting money.

I love this post.
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