Should democrats running in 2020 Pledge to accept the results of the election?
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Pandaguineapig
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« on: November 27, 2016, 01:22:26 PM »

Same way Trump was badgered to accept the results when he appeared to be losing. This marks the third straight election where democrats have thrown a tantrum when they lost:

In 2000 Gore conceded to bush but then retracted his concession. After several recounts failed to get the result he wanted he attempted to use his way into the white house when the state was certified for Bush. To this day refuses to admit he lost Florida.

In 2004 Kerry refused to concede on election night even when he lost ohio, only conceded the next day when the margin was outside the range for a recount. Many democrats in the house voted to not count Ohio's electoral votes, for years many high profile democrats including Barbara Boxer and Howard Dean insisted the election in Ohio was stolen.

In 2016 Hillary Clinton refused to publicly concede on election night even when it became clear she had lost, only called Trump when President Obama pleaded with her to do so. Weeks later democratic lawyers and activists join recount effort in 3 states where the odds of overturning the results are pretty much zero.
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2016, 01:46:34 PM »

lol. There is a HUGE difference between "not accepting the results" and counting all the votes, fairly. Every single one of those examples have accepted the results gracefully. Especially when in 2 of those examples, they won more votes. Stop. Now.
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2016, 01:51:44 PM »

We only win elections where the margins are big. We just have to beat them by enough that gaming the system won't help them.
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2016, 02:06:22 PM »

lol. There is a HUGE difference between "not accepting the results" and counting all the votes, fairly. Every single one of those examples have accepted the results gracefully. Especially when in 2 of those examples, they won more votes. Stop. Now.
Lol they counted all the votes in Florida multiple times and Gore still lost, he refused to admit he lost in his concession speech only saying that the court's ruling was final. He refuses to admit he lost to this very day
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2016, 02:32:56 PM »

Or how about how Romney wouldn't concede Ohio right when it was called in 2012? Or how Prejudiced Pat is not only refusing to accept the results, but is actively trying to throw the election his way even if a recount shows him receiving fewer votes?

Most of us have accepted the results, but it's cute to see the side that insisted that this election was rigged by Lyin' Crooked $h*tlery before it even happened lecture us on sportsmanship.
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2016, 01:19:04 AM »

We only win elections where the margins are big. We just have to beat them by enough that gaming the system won't help them.

The Democrats had an electoral college advantage in 2004, 2008 and 2012, so it's not like the Republicans are the only ones that could benefit from the EC. But the electoral college should be abolished, the candidate with most votes should win (and if both get less than 50% there should be an automatic run-off).
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2016, 05:31:31 AM »

Gore shouldn't have conceded in 2000.
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2016, 07:22:02 AM »

Of course, every presidential candidate should.
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2016, 11:47:03 PM »

Only if President Trump also makes the pledge.
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2016, 11:56:36 PM »

We only win elections where the margins are big. We just have to beat them by enough that gaming the system won't help them.
How exactly did republican "game" the system? I thought i wasnt rigged? (Disclaimer: I never thought it was rigged and still don't, but the hypocrisy of some is outrageous about the issue)
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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2016, 03:56:26 AM »

We only win elections where the margins are big. We just have to beat them by enough that gaming the system won't help them.

The Democrats had an electoral college advantage in 2004, 2008 and 2012, so it's not like the Republicans are the only ones that could benefit from the EC. But the electoral college should be abolished, the candidate with most votes should win (and if both get less than 50% there should be an automatic run-off).
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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2016, 07:24:18 PM »

No candidate should have to make a pledge to accept the results until the votes are all counted and it's proven that no fraud occurred. This goes for both parties. The allegations about Russian hackers need to stop though. There is simply no evidence of it ever happening, whereas illegals voting has occurred before, just not on the scale Trump alleges. Does all this talk hurt the public's trust of government? Probably, but the pledge question was loaded with the implication that trump was losing and should never have been asked. It shouldn't be asked of democrats next time either.
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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2016, 08:25:53 PM »

Not if there are valid accusations of vote fraud or manipulation significant enough to change the results or if electoral practices have made a travesty of the right to vote.

I expect to thoroughly hate life so much under Donald Trump and his stooge Congress that I will be a suicide risk every day. But there are worse ways to get a leader than the one that got us Donald Trump -- like assassinations,  political systems with no meaningful choice, absolute monarchy, and military coups.

We are in for a four-year lesson in civics, segment PATHOLOGICAL LEADERSHIP. When we are through with this lesson maybe we will go on to something else.
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