Will the left finally wake up and realize we need to change our thinking?

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

We went from having a super majority in the Senate and large majority in the house and plus having 29 Governorships plus many state houses during Obama's first term to now only having 48 Senate seats, 192 House seats, 15 governorships and a small minority of state legislators and now we lost the Presidency.

Will the left now finally realize that the current way of thinking will not allow us to win?

[OSR stands with Israel]

What turned you from just a never trump republican to a full on democrat.

[The_Doctor]

Yes. Within the next decade, next decade and a half at most.

[AtorBoltox]

Here's what's interesting- the GOP didn't change their way of thinking after 2008 and 2012, in fact they doubled down on it. They still ended up winning this year.

[The_Doctor]

Here's what's interesting- the GOP didn't change their way of thinking after 2008 and 2012, in fact they doubled down on it. They still ended up winning this year.

Battle, not the war. The war will go to the Democrats.

[Jeffster]

Here's what's interesting- the GOP didn't change their way of thinking after 2008 and 2012, in fact they doubled down on it. They still ended up winning this year.

I'd say Trump was a big change from what Romney and McCain were selling.

[AtorBoltox]

Here's what's interesting- the GOP didn't change their way of thinking after 2008 and 2012, in fact they doubled down on it. They still ended up winning this year.

I'd say Trump was a big change from what Romney and McCain were selling.

On trade for sure, but the message sent to Republicans in 2012 was that they needed to attract minority support to win. Instead they focused on driving up white turnout and flipping the remaining WWC that still voted Democratic.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

What turned you from just a never trump republican to a full on democrat.

I rethought about some of my core positions, I have been drifting leftward for years now, Trump's nomination accelerated that.

As evident with my sig

[Virginiá]

Democrats were pretty overextended in the House in 2008 and when you factor in gerrymandering, we really aren't that much worse off than we were pre-2006. The Senate is more of a mixed bag, but a fair number of lost seats were a combination of states that were long trending away from us and the unlucky nature of getting hit with 2 midterm waves in a row. We did hold it for 8 years in a row, and I think that is something at least.

Democrats absolutely need to appeal more to WCWs and even more important, never again allow the DNC to roll out the carpet for it's favorite, especially when they have a million scandals and problems following them around. This election was more than winnable - it's Clinton & the DNC that screwed it up.

But my overall point is that a lot of this is due to long-term structural changes in the party coalitions, holding the White House during a time of economic duress and to a degree, bad candidate selection & liberalizing faster than the broader electorate that we need to appeal to would allow. If Trump turns out to be an unpopular president, I think many people will come to see that things are far less dire than they think as large downballot wins rack up in the next 2 cycles.

[DrScholl]

So much of what Democrats had when Obama first took office was based on the Bush Administration's failures and residual Blue Dog strength, which resulted in an inflated sense of Democratic strength. By 2018, I expect Democrats to be doing quite well. One party control tends to lead to dramatic electoral change in midterms.

[AZDem]

We went from having a super majority in the Senate and large majority in the house and plus having 29 Governorships plus many state houses during Obama's first term to now only having 48 Senate seats, 192 House seats, 15 governorships and a small minority of state legislators and now we lost the Presidency.

Will the left now finally realize that the current way of thinking will not allow us to win?

Democrats never had a super majority in the Senate. At most with 2 independents, they had 59 Senate after Specter switched parties. However, given ongoing MN Senate recount and court battles and Kennedy's health, they really only had around 57 active voting Senators for most of 2009. So it was extremely difficult to get anything done. Lieberman and Nelson from NE were mostly the reason there was no public option in the PPACA.

I believe the last time any party had a super majority was the Dems after the 1936 election when they had a whopping total of 75 seats.  They actually had a veto proof majority of 69 after the '34 midterms.

[AZDem]

We went from having a super majority in the Senate and large majority in the house and plus having 29 Governorships plus many state houses during Obama's first term to now only having 48 Senate seats, 192 House seats, 15 governorships and a small minority of state legislators and now we lost the Presidency.

Will the left now finally realize that the current way of thinking will not allow us to win?

Democrats never had a super majority in the Senate. At most with 2 independents, they had 59 Senate after Specter switched parties. However, given ongoing MN Senate recount and court battles and Kennedy's health, they really only had around 57 active voting Senators for most of 2009.

I believe the last time any party had a super majority was the Dems after the 1936 election when they had a whopping total of 75 seats.  They actually had a veto proof majority of 69 after the '34 midterms.

Nevermind, Dems also had 68 seats after 1964.

[Beet]

No, we need to embrace Lena Dunham-style feminism, transgender rights, BLM, illegal immigrants, and call for the immediate ban of the Confederate flag. Don't forget to unfriend all Trump supporters on FB. They're irredeemable. We'll get 272 freiwall back with better data analytics, ground game, and more poll aggregation. Nominate a Mexican with connection to the mining industry and we can't lose. Salazar/Schumer 2020.

[Green Line]

No, we need to embrace Lena Dunham-style feminism, transgender rights, BLM, illegal immigrants, and call for the immediate ban of the Confederate flag. Don't forget to unfriend all Trump supporters on FB. They're irredeemable. We'll get 272 freiwall back with better data analytics, ground game, and more poll aggregation. Nominate a Mexican with connection to the mining industry and we can't lose. Salazar/Schumer 2020.

I know you say that sarcastically, but that's likely exactly what will happen.  There is absolutely 0 evidence that Democrats are learning their lesson.

[Lambsbread]

No, because they're too #triggered and need their safe space. As has been said in plenty of other threads, identity politics don't work. It took losing this election for me to realize that, and I am starting to realize how foolish I was for blindly supporting BLM, Tumblr feminism, etc. The left must embrace populism and let the identity politics happen on their own.

[DrScholl]

Copying Trump is not going to get Democrats anywhere. It seems like some people want Democrats to start supporting segregation laws to start winning. If Democrats started talking about mass deportations, they would seriously be dead.

But of course, let's nominate David Duke in 2020 and see the party have a huge landslide.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Copying Trump is not going to get Democrats anywhere. It seems like some people want Democrats to start supporting segregation laws to start winning. If Democrats started talking about mass deportations, they would seriously be dead.

But of course, let's nominate David Duke in 2020 and see the party have a huge landslide.

No need to talk about it when Obama has already done mass deportations without talking about it.

[DrScholl]

Copying Trump is not going to get Democrats anywhere. It seems like some people want Democrats to start supporting segregation laws to start winning. If Democrats started talking about mass deportations, they would seriously be dead.

But of course, let's nominate David Duke in 2020 and see the party have a huge landslide.

No need to talk about it when Obama has already done mass deportations without talking about it.

My point is that Democrats aren't going to win by being a far-right, nationalist party. It's stupid that people even think this is even a good strategy.

[ElectionsGuy]

I have very little confidence.

[Devout Centrist]

Copying Trump is not going to get Democrats anywhere. It seems like some people want Democrats to start supporting segregation laws to start winning. If Democrats started talking about mass deportations, they would seriously be dead.

But of course, let's nominate David Duke in 2020 and see the party have a huge landslide.

No need to talk about it when Obama has already done mass deportations without talking about it.

When 91% of those deported were previously  convicted of a crime, it makes a whole hell of a lot of a difference.

[JA]

We may need to tweak a few things here and there, primarily to drive up turnout among our notoriously low-turnout demographic groups, but the electoral problems facing our party are largely attributable to the way our government is setup. A state of almost 40 million has as many senators as a state of 600 thousand, congressional districts are gerrymandered to favor white, rural areas, and Democratic votes outnumbered Republican ones at the Presidential level, yet we lost due to the inherent biases of the electoral college that inadvertantly favor White, rural states. Add to that a low turnout among our demographic groups, especially during midterms, and you have a recipe for Democratic disaster without us actually being in trouble based on the number of people who favor us.

We will have to change in some manner, even if only for the sake of working within the system we have. Whether that will be to increase our appeal to college educated Whites in the sunbelt or non-college educated Whites in the rust belt is the big question right now.

[OSR stands with Israel]

We went from having a super majority in the Senate and large majority in the house and plus having 29 Governorships plus many state houses during Obama's first term to now only having 48 Senate seats, 192 House seats, 15 governorships and a small minority of state legislators and now we lost the Presidency.

Will the left now finally realize that the current way of thinking will not allow us to win?

They also had 61 from 1976-1978
Democrats never had a super majority in the Senate. At most with 2 independents, they had 59 Senate after Specter switched parties. However, given ongoing MN Senate recount and court battles and Kennedy's health, they really only had around 57 active voting Senators for most of 2009.

I believe the last time any party had a super majority was the Dems after the 1936 election when they had a whopping total of 75 seats.  They actually had a veto proof majority of 69 after the '34 midterms.

Nevermind, Dems also had 68 seats after 1964.

[Deblano]

No, we need to embrace Lena Dunham-style feminism, transgender rights, BLM, illegal immigrants, and call for the immediate ban of the Confederate flag. Don't forget to unfriend all Trump supporters on FB. They're irredeemable. We'll get 272 freiwall back with better data analytics, ground game, and more poll aggregation. Nominate a Mexican with connection to the mining industry and we can't lose. Salazar/Schumer 2020.

I know you say that sarcastically, but that's likely exactly what will happen.  There is absolutely 0 evidence that Democrats are learning their lesson.

The Democrats are turning into the UK Labor Party. It's a real shame. America needs a healthy opposition party.

[Hermit For Peace]

If they get rid of Stein, I'm going to go back to the Green Party. That is where my true beliefs lie.

Until another female is nominated, one that I can get behind that is (Not Stein and NOT Republican), I am back in the position I was when Bush W was President. I just tuned him (and especially Cheney) out for 8 years and disassociated myself from politics.

Who really knows what the Democrats need to do? And I don't care anymore. Good luck to the Dems.

[hopper]

Here's what's interesting- the GOP didn't change their way of thinking after 2008 and 2012, in fact they doubled down on it. They still ended up winning this year.

I'd say Trump was a big change from what Romney and McCain were selling.

On trade for sure, but the message sent to Republicans in 2012 was that they needed to attract minority support to win. Instead they focused on driving up white turnout and flipping the remaining WWC that still voted Democratic.

Actually Trump did a tiny bit better than Romney did with Minorities.