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« Reply #650 on: June 06, 2017, 03:10:49 PM »
« edited: June 06, 2017, 03:12:43 PM by Adam T »

What's the interest of having an odd number of members of an assembly if you're gonna discard one of them completely for majority vote purposes ? It always seemed quite odd to me (pun intended).

This whole convention is so f'ing stupid, and this whole 'crisis' is exposing it for what it is. Why the hell do we have this antiquated 19th century stupid convention in the first place?

Yes, unlimited fundraising creating conflicts of interest, shrug.  But, DON'T YOU DARE TURN THE SPEAKER INTO A PARTISAN POSITION!  

I'm sure the right wing OUTRAGE! machine will make this out to be the biggest scandal of all time, but  unlike they and the political scientists all rapped up in their concerns about historical conventions, I think most fair minded people will see a difference between a 'partisan' Speaker voting to break ties in favor of their government, and a partisan Speaker making partisan legislative rulings in favor of their government.
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« Reply #651 on: June 06, 2017, 03:56:48 PM »

Another stupid, pointless and harmful tradition that the British have saddled their former possessions with.
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« Reply #652 on: June 06, 2017, 05:49:38 PM »

What's the interest of having an odd number of members of an assembly if you're gonna discard one of them completely for majority vote purposes ? It always seemed quite odd to me (pun intended).

This whole convention is so f'ing stupid, and this whole 'crisis' is exposing it for what it is. Why the hell do we have this antiquated 19th century stupid convention in the first place?

Yes, unlimited fundraising creating conflicts of interest, shrug.  But, DON'T YOU DARE TURN THE SPEAKER INTO A PARTISAN POSITION!  

I'm sure the right wing OUTRAGE! machine will make this out to be the biggest scandal of all time, but  unlike they and the political scientists all rapped up in their concerns about historical conventions, I think most fair minded people will see a difference between a 'partisan' Speaker voting to break ties in favor of their government, and a partisan Speaker making partisan legislative rulings in favor of their government.

One would hope so, but I'm worried the Liberals are going to use this to whip up some outrage from the public, most of whom would have had no prior knowledge of the speaker's role to begin with.
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« Reply #653 on: June 07, 2017, 04:50:47 PM »

Assembly called for June 22.

So, electing a Speaker on June 22 and a Throne Speech on June 23?
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« Reply #654 on: June 07, 2017, 04:58:44 PM »


One would hope so, but I'm worried the Liberals are going to use this to whip up some outrage from the public, most of whom would have had no prior knowledge of the speaker's role to begin with.

Good luck trying to whip up any kind of "outrage" over the canada day long weekend and in to summer. In any case, if the BC Liberals wre really going to try to whip people up into a frenzy they would have spent the last couple of weeks mimicking harper in december 2008 and calling it a coup d'etat by the "losers" (sic.) of the election...but they didnt do that
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« Reply #655 on: June 07, 2017, 04:59:53 PM »

Assembly called for June 22.

So, electing a Speaker on June 22 and a Throne Speech on June 23?

Can't the coalition just elect a Liberal speaker? They have the majority, after all, so they can elect whoever they want (as long as someone is willing to take the seat).
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« Reply #656 on: June 07, 2017, 07:24:34 PM »

Assembly called for June 22.

So, electing a Speaker on June 22 and a Throne Speech on June 23?

Can't the coalition just elect a Liberal speaker? They have the majority, after all, so they can elect whoever they want (as long as someone is willing to take the seat).

They can, obviously. The tradition is a bit wierd. Everyone is a candidate (but party leaders and ministers) and you actually need to withdraw yourself from contention.

In any case, electing a speaker must be done first. Nothing can happen until it's done.
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« Reply #657 on: June 07, 2017, 07:52:18 PM »

Assembly called for June 22.

So, electing a Speaker on June 22 and a Throne Speech on June 23?

Can't the coalition just elect a Liberal speaker? They have the majority, after all, so they can elect whoever they want (as long as someone is willing to take the seat).

They can, obviously. The tradition is a bit wierd. Everyone is a candidate (but party leaders and ministers) and you actually need to withdraw yourself from contention.

In any case, electing a speaker must be done first. Nothing can happen until it's done.

They should totally do that. Lib's heads would explode.
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« Reply #658 on: June 07, 2017, 08:21:27 PM »

Not a single Liberals will take the job, they've already said as much.

Anyways, the pundit class' heads would explode if the NDP installed a speaker and broke convention. Will anyone other than them care?
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« Reply #659 on: June 12, 2017, 02:24:38 PM »
« Edited: June 12, 2017, 02:27:16 PM by Deputy Game Moderator 1184AZ »

Christy Clark plus new cabinet to be sworn in this afternoon.  Will be interesting to see how Clark handles newly elected star candidates (Ross, Johal and Redies) and whether Sam Sullivan gets included.
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« Reply #660 on: June 12, 2017, 02:30:58 PM »

what is the point of picking a cabinet that will serve for 2 weeks?
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« Reply #661 on: June 12, 2017, 03:08:49 PM »
« Edited: June 12, 2017, 03:10:26 PM by Adam T »

what is the point of picking a cabinet that will serve for 2 weeks?

To promote the illusion of continuity and the idea that because the Liberals won the most seats and have the first right to form the government that they are the only legitimate government - much as Stephen Harper falsely claimed.

I don't have a problem with Christy Clark wanting the Liberals government to fall on a confidence motion rather than just resign, but clearly there is reason to be concerned that she's taking so long dealing with this to try and get Site C past the 'point of no return.'

The Liberals say 'it takes time to appoint a new cabinet...' but there is no requirement for a cabinet minister to be an MLA so she could have just reappointed all the current ministers and go to the throne speech and the confidence vote.
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« Reply #662 on: June 13, 2017, 09:51:30 PM »

There are several reports that Ellis Ross is the first aboriginal with a cabinet portfolio (Frank Calder was a Minister Without Portfolio for a couple years in the Dave Barrett government.)

I believe Ellis Ross is the first elected aboriginal with a cabinet portfolio as Ed John was an unelected minister in the Ujjal Dosanjh government.
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« Reply #663 on: June 14, 2017, 02:07:13 PM »

Hmm. Though Spector said he thinks deal will hold for a while so long as SOs are changed.
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« Reply #664 on: June 14, 2017, 03:14:18 PM »
« Edited: June 14, 2017, 03:20:04 PM by Adam T »

Hmm. Though Spector said he thinks deal will hold for a while so long as SOs are changed.

Gary Mason is usually fair, but there seems to be no question that the media that enables the B.C Liberals (Vancouver Sun, CKNW) is revving up the notion of how important this convention of the 'non partisan Speaker.'

Odd how neither of those outlets thought it was important when the hyper partisan Liberal Linda Reid made a number of clearly partisan rulings in favor of the B.C Liberals.

This isn't a case of 'both sides do it.'  

Weaver brought up the convention that a Speaker can't resign mid term and received a reply that 'many speakers have stepped down recently.' So, if there are precedents that show a convention hasn't been followed and, therefore, the convention no longer applies, then their is similarly no basis to now argue that the convention on the 'non partisan Speaker' must now be followed.

Either conventions are followed or they're not, and either precedents matter or they don't.  The B.C Liberals and their media enablers can't have it both ways.

Also, according to Dave Schreck, The Lieutenant Governor's (Judith Guichon) business (a farm) made donations to the B.C Liberals in 2005 and 2009, so the Lieutenant Governor would be walking on very thin ice to decide to not allow the NDP/Green coalition a chance to govern on the basis of a convention that hasn't been followed.
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« Reply #665 on: June 14, 2017, 03:32:23 PM »

This is all so stupid a ridiculous. Why don't all the regular pundits realize this? I'd rather some sort of grand coalition with Clark as Premier than to head to the polls again because Andrew Coyne says so.
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« Reply #666 on: June 14, 2017, 04:41:16 PM »

I seriously doubt there will be another election in 2017. There is likely a lot of bluffing and inside baseball speculation. It is interesting though to speculate what would happen if there was a new election? Would the NDP and Greens campaign as partners seeking a mandate for their accord? Would they each run a full slate of candidates or would they not run against each others incumbents and divvy up who would run against which Liberal incumbents?
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« Reply #667 on: June 14, 2017, 04:55:18 PM »

I seriously doubt there will be another election in 2017. There is likely a lot of bluffing and inside baseball speculation. It is interesting though to speculate what would happen if there was a new election? Would the NDP and Greens campaign as partners seeking a mandate for their accord? Would they each run a full slate of candidates or would they not run against each others incumbents and divvy up who would run against which Liberal incumbents?

That would be the logical move.
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« Reply #668 on: June 14, 2017, 06:47:24 PM »
« Edited: June 14, 2017, 06:51:14 PM by Adam T »

My comment on CKNW was not entirely fair.  Every show host there seems to be independent but politically they go from the center (Simi Sara, Drex) to the far right (Charles Addled, Jill Bennett) with John McComb and Linda Steele essentially center right.

The main thing is though that the stock in trade with all of them except for Simi Sara is OUTRAGE! This is true of all of them, but the worst in probably the person who discusses the news with Simi Sara (and maybe with John McComb as well) Gord MacDonald.

I've tweeted to a couple of them (no reply, of course) "If you're so holier than thou, what are you doing working for a radio station that employs the anti homeless person bigot (and generally misinformed) Bruce Allen?  You want to send a message that your OUTRAGE! is sincere, quit your job. Make the hard decision and the sacrifice that you're constantly calling for others to do (especially politicians.) "

Bruce Allen had one of his editorials reported to the Broadcast Standards Council. Although he was cleared, you be the judge if this is morally acceptable comment:  

"...This is sick. What’s the down side if
these people don’t get their fix? They die? Yeah, so? Are we losing big
contributors here? They get the wrong smack and overdose? Same result, too
bad."

http://www.cbsc.ca/decisions/20-0506/20-0506-0651_PD_E.pdf

CKNW stood by Bruce Allen as well they claimed in the interest of 'free speech' but anybody with a brain knows the reason they hired such a POS is because he's controversial and controversy sadly gets ratings.

So, just remember that if you hear a sanctimonious talk show host on CKNW say how the Speaker voting to break ties would be an OUTRAGEOUS! situation.
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« Reply #669 on: June 19, 2017, 08:26:35 AM »
« Edited: June 19, 2017, 06:15:30 PM by the506 »

Poll by poll results are up: http://elections.bc.ca/resources/voting-results/provincial-general-elections-results/

EDIT: Maps are now up - http://www.election-atlas.ca/bc/
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« Reply #670 on: June 22, 2017, 08:47:58 AM »

Clark says she won't advise the LG what to do if the Throne Speech is defeated.

Smyth: Clark wants another election.
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« Reply #671 on: June 22, 2017, 12:22:57 PM »

Liberal Steve Thomson becomes speaker.
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« Reply #672 on: June 22, 2017, 12:23:09 PM »

Grit Speaker elected. Problem solved?
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« Reply #673 on: June 22, 2017, 12:24:33 PM »


I CALLED IT
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« Reply #674 on: June 22, 2017, 01:40:38 PM »

No surprise. The question is if he stays on after the government is voted out.
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