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AmericanNation
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« on: November 14, 2016, 06:26:58 PM »

The problem is you can't make a good case to support your very serious assertions.
Also,
If Trump is a racist, than everyone is by that standard, which isn't true so than he can't be. 
Donald Trump obviously loves women, so I don't know how you could possibly throw the misogyny word around... Dems have a tendency to turn around a loving man into a "hater" quite often... why?   
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2016, 06:57:47 PM »

The problem is you can't make a good case to support your very serious assertions.
Also,
A. If Trump is a racist, than everyone is by that standard, which isn't true so than he can't be. 
B. Donald Trump obviously loves women, so I don't know how you could possibly throw the misogyny word around... Dems have a tendency to turn around a loving man into a "hater" quite often... why?   
Assuming that you aren't trolling (which I'm not sure of at this point, I admit), A. this is absurd. So everyone has decried entire religions, and denied African-Americans housing? OK then. For B., how about "pig", or "bleeding from wherever", or "nasty woman", or "grab 'em by the pussy"? Yeah, sounds like someone who honestly cares about women Roll Eyes give me a break.
It isn't absurd, you just furthered my point.  
1) Trump hasn't "decried" entire religions... he has said he would address dangerous elements within one.
2) He hasn't denied blacks housing, he has built housing for blacks... why the opposite of reality thing again?
3) You can't call a nasty women nasty?  why?
A straight man can't talk about sex with women (privately)? why?
Rosie O'Donnell is a pig and a 911 truther, why can't you say that?

4)...what does any of that have to do with racism or misogyny?
5) you seem to be implying impoliteness is misogynist.  
6) it isn't.
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2016, 08:13:42 PM »

He was literally sued by the government for denying housing to Black people. He took front page ads calling for the execution of the Central Park 5 and continued to assert their guilt even after DNA proved them otherwise. Bragged about sexual assault and has 12 women accusing him of assault.`

It is astonishing that republicans can stare at the mountain of evidence and still deny it
unsuccessfully sued 40 years ago.
thought people committed a crime.
is a straight male.

...it is astonishing that you think your ridiculous use of serious words is justified.   
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2016, 08:58:59 PM »

The problem is you can't make a good case to support your very serious assertions.
Also,
A. If Trump is a racist, than everyone is by that standard, which isn't true so than he can't be. 
B. Donald Trump obviously loves women, so I don't know how you could possibly throw the misogyny word around... Dems have a tendency to turn around a loving man into a "hater" quite often... why?   
Assuming that you aren't trolling (which I'm not sure of at this point, I admit), A. this is absurd. So everyone has decried entire religions, and denied African-Americans housing? OK then. For B., how about "pig", or "bleeding from wherever", or "nasty woman", or "grab 'em by the pussy"? Yeah, sounds like someone who honestly cares about women Roll Eyes give me a break.
It isn't absurd, you just furthered my point.  
1) Trump hasn't "decried" entire religions... he has said he would address dangerous elements within one.
2) He hasn't denied blacks housing, he has built housing for blacks... why the opposite of reality thing again?
3) You can't call a nasty women nasty?  why?
A straight man can't talk about sex with women (privately)? why?
Rosie O'Donnell is a pig and a 911 truther, why can't you say that?

4)...what does any of that have to do with racism or misogyny?
5) you seem to be implying impoliteness is misogynist.  
6) it isn't.
1. Banning all Muslims from immigration, and acting as if being a Muslim would disqualify one from the Presidency?
2. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/27/hillary-clinton/true-hillary-clinton-says-federal-government-sued-/
3. OK, so would "disgusting pig of a man" be OK? I guess it would... and about "grab them by the pussy", he is not bragging about sex (which is OK in private), but about (potentially) unwanted sexual contact. In other words, if someone siting next to you on the bus suddenly reached for your crotch, would you be OK with that?
4. Misogyny and racism are the preferential treatment of one gender (specifically males, sexism captures both) or race over another. (Obviously this doesn't apply to intimate relationships) If you make denigrating comments towards a woman, that you would not make towards a man (insulting her for her looks, talking about a reporter being on her period, "Miss Housekeeping"), that is misogyny. Vice versa, it is misandry.
5. No, but impoliteness towards females (which is not directed towards males) is.
1) Restricting immigration based on terrorist potential is basic logic... not sure your point... he said all insted of all 6 months ago and refined the position 5 months ago?   
2) No fault settlement 40 years ago on a typically erroneous charge (if you know anything about these government agencies and race hustlers) 
3) in private, hypothetical, potentially unwanted sexual contact with laughter and braggadocio... The context was bottom line calling an attractive women... attractive.  O' the horror!!! ... fantasy scenarios in the locker room, so abnormal!
To your question: Women have grabbed my crotch without my permission... I survived.   
4) OK, by your definition Trump's non preferential treatment for anyone makes him the least misogynist and racist person in the world. 
5) Trump is impolite to males!  LOL.
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2016, 10:09:56 PM »

...then why has he spent his entire career saying deeply and shamelessly racist and misogynistic things?

Lest we forget, this is the guy who made Birtherism mainstream. And all of these things that he has said as a matter of campaign strategy he has said in public, on a national stage, as part of a successful major-party presidential campaign. And he doesn't have a problem with all of this - quite the contrary. He actively embraces it.

I absolutely believe Trump and his supporters when they say he's "authentic." He's not bulls****ting; this is what he really believes. And he will be the next President of the United States of America. Think about that for a moment.


Yes, of course, challenging the legitimacy of someone's presidency makes one a racist.  That's probably one of the most foolish claims I've yet heard!
Show me ANYONE challenging the legitimacy of Bush's presidency based on birthplace. Or Clinton's. Or  Reagan's. I'll wait.
Was there any reason to? 
I mean
Connecticut, Texas, Andover, Yale, Alabama, Harvard , Texas - son of a US President
and
Arkansas, Yale, Oxford, Arkansas, - Son of town drunk
isn't
Hawaii, Indonesia, Hawaii, occidental, Columbia, Harvard - son of a Kenyan

...Hillary really shouldn't have started that mess and Barack probably should have cleared it up in an early speech like he did with his racist pastor. 
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2016, 10:50:52 PM »

...then why has he spent his entire career saying deeply and shamelessly racist and misogynistic things?

Lest we forget, this is the guy who made Birtherism mainstream. And all of these things that he has said as a matter of campaign strategy he has said in public, on a national stage, as part of a successful major-party presidential campaign. And he doesn't have a problem with all of this - quite the contrary. He actively embraces it.

I absolutely believe Trump and his supporters when they say he's "authentic." He's not bulls****ting; this is what he really believes. And he will be the next President of the United States of America. Think about that for a moment.


Yes, of course, challenging the legitimacy of someone's presidency makes one a racist.  That's probably one of the most foolish claims I've yet heard!
Show me ANYONE challenging the legitimacy of Bush's presidency based on birthplace. Or Clinton's. Or  Reagan's. I'll wait.

Yep, all those folks that questioned Chester A, Arthur's legitimacy were racists.
.
You know you're winning the argument when you have to go back more than a century to find an example to support your case!
Ted Cruz and John McCain were questioned.  They answered, it ended. 
Obama was questioned he didn't answer for about 6 years, than it ended. 

obviously a pattern of racism against Irish sons of admirals. 
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2016, 10:58:10 PM »
« Edited: November 14, 2016, 11:03:31 PM by AmericanNation »

...then why has he spent his entire career saying deeply and shamelessly racist and misogynistic things?

Lest we forget, this is the guy who made Birtherism mainstream. And all of these things that he has said as a matter of campaign strategy he has said in public, on a national stage, as part of a successful major-party presidential campaign. And he doesn't have a problem with all of this - quite the contrary. He actively embraces it.

I absolutely believe Trump and his supporters when they say he's "authentic." He's not bulls****ting; this is what he really believes. And he will be the next President of the United States of America. Think about that for a moment.


Yes, of course, challenging the legitimacy of someone's presidency makes one a racist.  That's probably one of the most foolish claims I've yet heard!
Show me ANYONE challenging the legitimacy of Bush's presidency based on birthplace. Or Clinton's. Or  Reagan's. I'll wait.
Was there any reason to?  
I mean
Connecticut, Texas, Andover, Yale, Alabama, Harvard , Texas - son of a US President
and
Arkansas, Yale, Oxford, Arkansas, - Son of town drunk
isn't
Hawaii, Indonesia, Hawaii, occidental, Columbia, Harvard - son of a Kenyan

...Hillary really shouldn't have started that mess and Barack probably should have cleared it up in an early speech like he did with his racist pastor.  

Seriously? C'mon you don't mean that...Obama was the one in the wrong during the birther movement not the birther movement itself?! Your nuts.

Barrack was so weirdly slow to respond to pretty simple questions that many other candidates answer  because he probably lied on numerous forms throughout his life similar to the liz warren situation.  He stalled and delt with it as late as he could in his second term to minimize any possible damage.  That is the only theory that makes sense other than he is such a divisive demagogue that he purposely fueled the thing so he had "an example of racism" to club people with.  

When I'm asked where I was born, I answer honestly.  
If, an employer asks for documentation, I provide it.  I  don't scream racism.  

you guys are so nuts!

...I'll wait for an example of me calling employers racist because they asked for paperwork.
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2016, 11:40:27 PM »

...then why has he spent his entire career saying deeply and shamelessly racist and misogynistic things?

Lest we forget, this is the guy who made Birtherism mainstream. And all of these things that he has said as a matter of campaign strategy he has said in public, on a national stage, as part of a successful major-party presidential campaign. And he doesn't have a problem with all of this - quite the contrary. He actively embraces it.

I absolutely believe Trump and his supporters when they say he's "authentic." He's not bulls****ting; this is what he really believes. And he will be the next President of the United States of America. Think about that for a moment.


Yes, of course, challenging the legitimacy of someone's presidency makes one a racist.  That's probably one of the most foolish claims I've yet heard!
Show me ANYONE challenging the legitimacy of Bush's presidency based on birthplace. Or Clinton's. Or  Reagan's. I'll wait.
Was there any reason to?  
I mean
Connecticut, Texas, Andover, Yale, Alabama, Harvard , Texas - son of a US President
and
Arkansas, Yale, Oxford, Arkansas, - Son of town drunk
isn't
Hawaii, Indonesia, Hawaii, occidental, Columbia, Harvard - son of a Kenyan

...Hillary really shouldn't have started that mess and Barack probably should have cleared it up in an early speech like he did with his racist pastor.  

Seriously? C'mon you don't mean that...Obama was the one in the wrong during the birther movement not the birther movement itself?! Your nuts.

Barrack was so weirdly slow to respond to pretty simple questions that many other candidates answer  because he probably lied on numerous forms throughout his life similar to the liz warren situation.  He stalled and delt with it as late as he could in his second term to minimize any possible damage.  That is the only theory that makes sense other than he is such a divisive demagogue that he purposely fueled the thing so he had "an example of racism" to club people with.  

When I'm asked where I was born, I answer honestly.  
If, an employer asks for documentation, I provide it.  I  don't scream racism.  

you guys are so nuts!

...I'll wait for an example of me calling employers racist because they asked for paperwork.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate
Yeah, Obama waited "as long as possible" Roll Eyes He was born in Hawaii, as he had been saying since Day 1.
right 2011 is day 1 of 2007. 
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2016, 08:55:59 AM »

it doesn't effing matter if someone is a racist - i have never understood why this is sooo important to prove or disprove for many people.

if his actions are sexist and his statements are racist, isn't that offending and problematic on its own?

why raise it to a level of mental black-boxiness, which is practical not proveable or necessary at all?
I sort of agree, but
when a political party uses the words to control all speech and thought it becomes 'sooo important'
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2016, 10:04:29 AM »

I sort of agree, but
when a political party uses the words to control all speech and thought it becomes 'sooo important'

i think even if you believe, that some democrats or some media outlets are overplaying that card all the time, trump is the most explicit exception of all.

afaik, if criticizing trump's actions (i won't say convictions) is off the radar, than only white skinhead thugs with swastika tattoos are possibly guilty of speading racist activity.

and there must be even better fitting words: trump's campaign strategy was ultimate division and singling out some sub-groups of the electorate as scapegoats...how such behaviour is called doesn't matter to me at all.
That is a healthy attitude.  I get hung up on people running around bludgeoning the population with inaccurate use of words.   
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