In act of complete betrayal, LAPD won't help deport illegal immigrants

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

It's not their job to do this unless they detain an illegal for a serious crime. I oppose sanctuary cities as much as the next Trump voter but we have other means of getting rid of the more problematic illegals while working towards a solution that grants amnesty but not total citizenship.

Sanchez, the voice of reason! This election has truly made strange bedfellows of us all.

My position on immigration is that any illegal with a (otherwise) clean criminal record who comes forward, admits to crossing the border, and agrees to take a citizenship test should be granted permanent residency in which they are entitled to all the benefits of citizenship aside from voting rights. There needs to be punishment and a sizable number (well over a million I'd imagine) are going to need to go. And good riddance.

We can't get to this point again, where a sizable amount of illegal immigrants are residing openly and arrogantly in life. Build the fence, cut some defense spending and quit arming the Syrian rebels and use that money to beef up the border patrol, and put bull sharks in the Rio Grande for all I care. Just let us have an actual border.

[JA]

I just love how quickly cowardly liberals in America roll over and whimper "but he's our President." I don't care if he's your god almighty, if he desires to act like an autocrat bred in the cold, Siberian labs of Putin's Russia, you fight him every step of the way. States, counties, cities, individuals, everyone should resist to the greatest extent possible to demonstrate that wannabe Fascists have no legitimacy in this country, regardless of what any election says. Otherwise, you're no better than those you've been raised to criticize during World War II. If you think this ends any other way than protesters getting hurt or killed, families being ripped apart, your minority friends being targeted either legally or socially, some level of civil unrest, and the global environment and national ecosystem being irreperably damaged, then you're an idiot.

First they came for the Undocumented, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not undocumented.

Then they came for the Protesters, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Protester.

Then they came for the Minorities, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Minority.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I just love how quickly cowardly liberals in America roll over and whimper "but he's our President." I don't care if he's your god almighty, if he desires to act like an autocrat bred in the cold, Siberian labs of Putin's Russia, you fight him every step of the way. States, counties, cities, individuals, everyone should resist to the greatest extent possible to demonstrate that wannabe Fascists have no legitimacy in this country, regardless of what any election says. Otherwise, you're no better than those you've been raised to criticize during World War II. If you think this ends any other way than protesters getting hurt or killed, families being ripped apart, your minority friends being targeted either legally or socially, some level of civil unrest, and the global environment and national ecosystem being irreperably damaged, then you're an idiot.

First they came for the Undocumented, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not undocumented.

Then they came for the Protesters, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Protester.

Then they came for the Minorities, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Minority.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Then fight back and quit bitching. Grab your gun, tough guy. Why don't all of you rich white upper middle class gated community deniziens either put up or shut up already with the apocalyptic fantasies.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

^^Oh, please. Trump has already started backing off of the worst of his campaign promises. Do as Hillary said and enter his presidency with an open mind.

To some of the other replies: I get that it's not LAPD's job to personally escort people back across the border. But what the article is implying is that if the LAPD is arresting and detaining someone for x offense, and in the process of doing that, they happen to learn that person is an illegal immigrant, they will not report that to the federal police forces, unless the crime is "serious" (whatever that is supposed to mean) . Assuming that an order for deportation of illegal immigrants that have committed a crime aside from their immigration is enacted during a Trump presidency, which seems pretty likely to happen, doing the action I just described is direct noncompliance with the orders of and disloyalty to the federal government.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Hilarious, but not at all surprising, how quickly Wulfric has goose-stepped behind Trump.

The phrase "banality of evil" comes to mind.

[Dereich]

^^Oh, please. Trump has already started backing off of the worst of his campaign promises. Do as Hillary said and enter his presidency with an open mind.

To some of the other replies: I get that it's not LAPD's job to personally escort people back across the border. But what the article is implying is that if the LAPD is arresting and detaining someone for x offense, and in the process of doing that, they happen to learn that person is an illegal immigrant, they will not report that to the federal police forces, unless the crime is "serious" (whatever that is supposed to mean) . Assuming that an order for deportation of illegal immigrants that have committed a crime aside from their immigration is enacted during a Trump presidency, which seems pretty likely to happen, doing the action I just described is direct noncompliance with the orders of and disloyalty to the federal government.

You misunderstand the nature of American Federalism. Police departments are state organizations, created by state legislatures to enforce state laws. They have no authority to enforce federal law unless the Federal government authorizes them to do so. Even then, it would be a violation of state sovereignty to force state officers to enforce another jurisdiction's laws. It would essentially be the Federal government forcing a (sovereign) state to make something illegal, which is very very unconstitutional.

[Ban my account ffs!]

Dereich is correct.  It is never the job of the municipal or state police to enforce immigration laws.  They can, of course, refer a suspected illegal immigrant to the feds, who can then decide whether or not to act.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Dereich is correct.  It is never the job of the municipal or state police to enforce immigration laws.  They can, of course, refer a suspected illegal immigrant to the feds, who can then decide whether or not to act.

While I would love it if the Tallahassee PD did exactly that, I agree 100%. I can't call myself a paleo-libertarian or paleoconservative or whatever the hell I am and then call for the federal government to step in and manage local law enforcement.

I do think a federal ban on sanctuary cities isn't an overreach of federal power. New York City shouldn't be allowed to re-introduce slavery. Miami shouldn't be allowed to legalize child rape. Tallahassee shouldn't be allowed to force their residences to smoke cigarettes. Federal power isn't inherently bad, but rather should be a last resort in every case. The Border Patrol and ICE will still be able to work in these cities, and if an illegal immigrant goes around "doing all the raping" (to quote the President-elect) then he'll be turned over when the LAPD arrests him for that crime.

In the end, the results will be unchanged. There is no need to put extra pressure on the LAPD. Their goals should be keeping the public safe and let ICE do their jobs freely and unmolested.

[JA]

I just love how quickly cowardly liberals in America roll over and whimper "but he's our President." I don't care if he's your god almighty, if he desires to act like an autocrat bred in the cold, Siberian labs of Putin's Russia, you fight him every step of the way. States, counties, cities, individuals, everyone should resist to the greatest extent possible to demonstrate that wannabe Fascists have no legitimacy in this country, regardless of what any election says. Otherwise, you're no better than those you've been raised to criticize during World War II. If you think this ends any other way than protesters getting hurt or killed, families being ripped apart, your minority friends being targeted either legally or socially, some level of civil unrest, and the global environment and national ecosystem being irreperably damaged, then you're an idiot.

First they came for the Undocumented, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not undocumented.

Then they came for the Protesters, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Protester.

Then they came for the Minorities, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Minority.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Then fight back and quit bitching. Grab your gun, tough guy. Why don't all of you rich white upper middle class gated community deniziens either put up or shut up already with the apocalyptic fantasies.

First off, I never advocated violence nor any revolutionary activity. Only institutional and protest resistance to any draconian laws and a refusal of normalizing Trump and his politics. So get that right. Second, this is the second time you've made some lazy, stupid remark making personal assumptions about me. That you remotely think I'm some priviliged, gated community living yuppy is hilarious. Don't go on internet forums making baseless assumptions about people you don't know, genius.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

This reminds me of the personal liberty laws Northern Whigs passed after the Compromise of 1850 to assert that local constabularies would not assist slavecatchers in dragging alleged slaves South.  I can just imagine people like Wulfric disagreeing with the lack of local assistance with enforcing Federal law.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

This reminds me of the personal liberty laws Northern Whigs passed after the Compromise of 1850 to assert that local constabularies would not assist slavecatchers in dragging alleged slaves South.  I can just imagine people like Wulfric disagreeing with the lack of local assistance with enforcing Federal law.

Interesting attempt at a connection, but cracking down on illegal immigration and protecting slavery are two completely different actions.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

This reminds me of the personal liberty laws Northern Whigs passed after the Compromise of 1850 to assert that local constabularies would not assist slavecatchers in dragging alleged slaves South.  I can just imagine people like Wulfric disagreeing with the lack of local assistance with enforcing Federal law.

Interesting attempt at a connection, but cracking down on illegal immigration and protecting slavery are two completely different actions.

In both cases, a State government was refusing to aid the Federal government in carrying out a policy it considered to be wrong.  If you think States should never do that, then I suppose you also opposed States not expanding Medicaid eligibility or setting up exchanges when the ACA was enacted.

[Meclazine for Israel]

It's not their job to do to that. It's their job to keep the peace in the local community.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

This reminds me of the personal liberty laws Northern Whigs passed after the Compromise of 1850 to assert that local constabularies would not assist slavecatchers in dragging alleged slaves South.  I can just imagine people like Wulfric disagreeing with the lack of local assistance with enforcing Federal law.

Interesting attempt at a connection, but cracking down on illegal immigration and protecting slavery are two completely different actions.

In both cases, a State government was refusing to aid the Federal government in carrying out a policy it considered to be wrong.  If you think States should never do that, then I suppose you also opposed States not expanding Medicaid eligibility or setting up exchanges when the ACA was enacted.

Well, I think it's possible that the ACA might have worked out better (it's a complete failure in a number of states) if all states had state exchanges and expanded medicaid, but that's another discussion.

I guess in an extreme case like slavery you could justify state government "civil disobedience". But this isn't an extreme case. It's simply actually caring about the border. Trump has stated that he will, at least at first, priortize those who have committed crimes aside from their immigration over other illegal immigrants. It's a perfectly reasonable and humane action to deport those folks and state governments should not withhold any information they happen to learn on this matter.

[JerryArkansas]

Good.  Hope more people follow their lead.

[DrScholl]

They don't have to do a damn thing, because Trump doesn't have any jurisdiction over them. Police departments don't have the budget or resources to carry out such a plan and it's not something that should be done, anyway.

This isn't a dictatorship and those who think that Trump can takeover city governments are sadly mistaken.

[Vern]

Why don't we just not have any borders at all. Whats the point in them if all the left is going to do is call someone racist for wanting to make sure people who broke the law get deported back the whatever country they came from. I'm all for people coming to America, but the right way.

[Intell]

Why don't we just not have any borders at all.

Sounds great to me!

Do you want to get 0% of the vote from white working class, and maybe even from black voters, as this hurts the poorest in society among us. Open borders and any mention of it, should be dropped, and we should support immigration but only when it's legal and regulated.