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Tender Branson
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« on: November 19, 2016, 01:43:33 PM »

Hillary won the early vote in NC by 50-47.

But Trump won the election day vote by 55-39.

Thoughts ?
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2016, 12:59:04 PM »

Yeah, thats usually how it goes.

Romney won the election day vote by 7%.
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2016, 01:03:06 PM »

Sounds like a good reason to eliminate early voting.  As a nation we should all vote at the same time based on all the information in a campaign.  Early voters base their decision on Information at that time which might change.
So move Election Day to the first weekend in Nov., keep the polls open for two days all day 7:00AM to 9:00PM with absentee voting only for a reason
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2016, 01:29:02 PM »

Was clinton's 3  point EV win more or less than people thought based on data?
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2016, 03:03:51 PM »

Sounds like a good reason to eliminate early voting.  As a nation we should all vote at the same time based on all the information in a campaign.  Early voters base their decision on Information at that time which might change.
So move Election Day to the first weekend in Nov., keep the polls open for two days all day 7:00AM to 9:00PM with absentee voting only for a reason

All of the early voting exit polls were heavily Democrat.

So they would argue against it.

Combine that with the heavily biased election polls for Hillary just before election day and you get 71% of the Atlas forum feeling pretty cozy.

And Sanchez and Ljube were on edge.

How things change overnight.
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2016, 08:21:01 PM »

Sounds like a good reason to eliminate early voting.  As a nation we should all vote at the same time based on all the information in a campaign.  Early voters base their decision on Information at that time which might change.
So move Election Day to the first weekend in Nov., keep the polls open for two days all day 7:00AM to 9:00PM with absentee voting only for a reason

No.... we should move towards all Vote-by-Mail with automatic DMV voter registration, with an "opt out" option for those that choose not to become registered voters....

Although overall Oregon voter turnout percentage numbers shrunk between '12 and '16, still ~200k more voters voted than in 2012, which well outpaced voting-adult population numbers due to net inigration/outmigration to the state, plus voters that turned 18 prior to the 2016 election.

NC VAP numbers and turnout is ridiculously low, as is the case in many other states in the country, and expanding the ease and access to voting is a net gain to American Democracy, regardless of whomever individual citizens choose to vote for.....
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2016, 09:39:01 AM »

Early voting isn't the problem.

It's a bias against working class voters of all races to have all voting on one day.  Blacks are not wrong in citing crappy equipment and longer lines in their precincts than other places.

Voting should be convenient, and should not put one at risk of the loss of their job.
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2016, 10:31:32 AM »

Hillary won the early vote in NC by 50-47.

But Trump won the election day vote by 55-39.

Thoughts ?

I'm only sorry I don't have time to quote every single post in early vote thread from partisan hacks who were saying how unaffiliated are going to break Hillary's way and also Nate Cohn's model of 7pt Clinton lead with about 20% lead in early vote and Cohn also saying us black turnout will not be below 21%.

Also when we're at it, Schale and Florida lol
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2016, 11:48:09 AM »

Also when we're at it, Schale and Florida lol

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like ralston he pointed out that something very strange would need to happen.

with the major difference, that ralston doubled down on HRC winning after EV....which happened...schale wrote 20089347394 times it is going to be very close.

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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2016, 10:19:14 AM »

Reason many of us said Trump would almost certainly win NC, but of course atlas said we were crazy and Hillary would win the state by a few points. Early voting results from FL & NC had Hillary up but by much less than Obama, which is why i knew Trump would carry both states.
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2016, 10:23:05 AM »

this wasn't very convincing cause many registered democrats switched years before so the potential number of REGISTERED democrats would have been down anyway.

i won't speak about NC but FL could easily have been a hillary victory...unreal numbers for hillary in the dem counties....just also a rural white voter wave year. ^^

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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2016, 09:03:28 PM »
« Edited: November 23, 2016, 09:11:05 PM by Axel Foley »

The State which fooled Dems two times in a raw...2012 convention in Charlotte, many rallies with big names, big money spent...and still lose it...they won it in 2008, by 14k vote, with a +7.3 nationally and a record turnout by AA...enough to name this State maybe no more Safe Rep but at least still Gop-leaning and not a pure tossup( let alone Dem-leaning)?
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