If the source, should Rove be jailed?

[Blue Rectangle]

CIA 'outing' might fall short of crime

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This is the best indication we have so far that Plame was not covert at the time of the leak and, more importantly, that she had not been covert for six years prior to the leak (the law sets five years as the protected period).

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CIA 'outing' might fall short of crime

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This is the best indication we have so far that Plame was not covert at the time of the leak and, more importantly, that she had not been covert for six years prior to the leak (the law sets five years as the protected period).

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How do you know that she wasn't covert more recently? Plus, her covert company was outted too. I really hope you're not condoning what Rove did.

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His attorney is obviosuly going to try & put the best face on this whole situation, we will see what happens, but the bottom line is he did release information regarding an undercover CIA agent & that goes against what the administration was syaing prior to this revelation

She was not undercover at the time she sent her husband to Africa, but rather an analyst for the CIA on WMDs.  She had worked undercover in the 1990s.

She was absolutely under-cover when she was outed.

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Joe Wilson has, from the very beginning, insisted that Rove named his wife.  There is still no indication that he did.  It is also curious that Wilson immediately named Rove as the source of the leak.  What information about the leak did Wilson have when the story broke?

Wilson's statement above is an argument that "doesn't stand the smell test".  Is he actually claiming that his wife's cover identity consisted of her taking her husband's name when she married him?  If so, then MODU is right, no wonder we have such intelligence problems!

I believe there was a whistleblower.

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CIA 'outing' might fall short of crime

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This is the best indication we have so far that Plame was not covert at the time of the leak and, more importantly, that she had not been covert for six years prior to the leak (the law sets five years as the protected period).

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How do you know that she wasn't covert more recently?

Because Wilson basicly said so:

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Her value as a covert operative died when she married Wilson.  Being married to a former ambassador and member of Clinton's national security team isn't exactly low-profile.

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CIA 'outing' might fall short of crime

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This is the best indication we have so far that Plame was not covert at the time of the leak and, more importantly, that she had not been covert for six years prior to the leak (the law sets five years as the protected period).

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How do you know that she wasn't covert more recently?

Because Wilson basicly said so:

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Her value as a covert operative died when she married Wilson.  Being married to a former ambassador and member of Clinton's national security team isn't exactly low-profile.

Basically said so? She's covert CIA. She doesn't have to tell your sorry asses exactly what she's done.

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Valerie Plame was covert.

The CIA says: "If she was not undercover, we would have no reason to file a criminal referral".

http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?ts=1&display=rednews/2003/10/01/build/nation/25-leak.inc

Any more grand treason apoligist talking points?

[MODU]

Valerie Plame was covert.

The CIA says: "If she was not undercover, we would have no reason to file a criminal referral".

http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?ts=1&display=rednews/2003/10/01/build/nation/25-leak.inc

Any more grand treason apoligist talking points?

Your link isn't working, and it's not "grand treason." 

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Valerie Plame was covert.

The CIA says: "If she was not undercover, we would have no reason to file a criminal referral".

http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?ts=1&display=rednews/2003/10/01/build/nation/25-leak.inc

Any more grand treason apoligist talking points?

Your link isn't working, and it's not "grand treason." 

The link works fine, and I love how the new talking points are to argue anything that can change the argument from Rove outted covert CIA agent Plame.

[MODU]

Valerie Plame was covert.

The CIA says: "If she was not undercover, we would have no reason to file a criminal referral".

http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?ts=1&display=rednews/2003/10/01/build/nation/25-leak.inc

Any more grand treason apoligist talking points?

Your link isn't working, and it's not "grand treason." 

The link works fine, and I love how the new talking points are to argue anything that can change the argument from Rove outted covert CIA agent Plame.

Please post either the whole article or the title of the article so I can find a mirror site.  The link does not work on my end.

[WMS]

I seriously wondering if Joe Wilson might not have tipped someone off.

I wonder who talked to the NYT reporter.  Rove has repeatedly said anyoen he talked to does not need to protect him as a confidential source.  He has even signed documents releasing them from any confidentiality agreements.

So, who told the New York Times?

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This is important.

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I seriously wondering if Joe Wilson might not have tipped someone off.

I wonder who talked to the NYT reporter.  Rove has repeatedly said anyoen he talked to does not need to protect him as a confidential source.  He has even signed documents releasing them from any confidentiality agreements.

So, who told the New York Times?

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This is important.

Rove

[ATFFL]

I seriously wondering if Joe Wilson might not have tipped someone off.

I wonder who talked to the NYT reporter.  Rove has repeatedly said anyoen he talked to does not need to protect him as a confidential source.  He has even signed documents releasing them from any confidentiality agreements.

So, who told the New York Times?

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This is important.

Rove

Fact: Rove has signed a release waiving confidentiality over the whole Plame affair.  Any reorter who spoke to him about it is free to talk to the judge, special investigator, other reporters or you without worrying about breaking a promise of confidentiality given to Karl Rove.

Fact: NYT reporter Judith Millier is still refusing to say who her source was due to a promise of confidentiality.

Conclusion:  Rove was not her source.

[Smash255]

I seriously wondering if Joe Wilson might not have tipped someone off.

I wonder who talked to the NYT reporter.  Rove has repeatedly said anyoen he talked to does not need to protect him as a confidential source.  He has even signed documents releasing them from any confidentiality agreements.

So, who told the New York Times?

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This is important.

Rove

Fact: Rove has signed a release waiving confidentiality over the whole Plame affair.  Any reorter who spoke to him about it is free to talk to the judge, special investigator, other reporters or you without worrying about breaking a promise of confidentiality given to Karl Rove.

Fact: NYT reporter Judith Millier is still refusing to say who her source was due to a promise of confidentiality.

Conclusion:  Rove was not her source.

Was the release for Cooper or everyone.  Keep in mind that Cooper did not reveal his source until after Rove personally contacted him.  For all you know what he told Miller may heve been more damaging legally than what he told Cooper.  Miller could be serving time out of principle as well.  Not saying Rove was her source or not, but you simply can't make that conclusion either way

[Blue Rectangle]

I seriously wondering if Joe Wilson might not have tipped someone off.

I wonder who talked to the NYT reporter.  Rove has repeatedly said anyoen he talked to does not need to protect him as a confidential source.  He has even signed documents releasing them from any confidentiality agreements.

So, who told the New York Times?

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This is important.

Rove

Fact: Rove has signed a release waiving confidentiality over the whole Plame affair.  Any reorter who spoke to him about it is free to talk to the judge, special investigator, other reporters or you without worrying about breaking a promise of confidentiality given to Karl Rove.

Fact: NYT reporter Judith Millier is still refusing to say who her source was due to a promise of confidentiality.

Conclusion:  Rove was not her source.

Was the release for Cooper or everyone.  Keep in mind that Cooper did not reveal his source until after Rove personally contacted him.  For all you know what he told Miller may heve been more damaging legally than what he told Cooper.  Miller could be serving time out of principle as well.  Not saying Rove was her source or not, but you simply can't make that conclusion either way

According to Luskin (not unbiased, I know, but how could he lie about this and get away with it?), the waiver covers everyone:

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So what about Cooper's last-minute reprieve?

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[Smash255]

I seriously wondering if Joe Wilson might not have tipped someone off.

I wonder who talked to the NYT reporter.  Rove has repeatedly said anyoen he talked to does not need to protect him as a confidential source.  He has even signed documents releasing them from any confidentiality agreements.

So, who told the New York Times?

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This is important.

Rove

Fact: Rove has signed a release waiving confidentiality over the whole Plame affair.  Any reorter who spoke to him about it is free to talk to the judge, special investigator, other reporters or you without worrying about breaking a promise of confidentiality given to Karl Rove.

Fact: NYT reporter Judith Millier is still refusing to say who her source was due to a promise of confidentiality.

Conclusion:  Rove was not her source.

Was the release for Cooper or everyone.  Keep in mind that Cooper did not reveal his source until after Rove personally contacted him.  For all you know what he told Miller may heve been more damaging legally than what he told Cooper.  Miller could be serving time out of principle as well.  Not saying Rove was her source or not, but you simply can't make that conclusion either way

According to Luskin (not unbiased, I know, but how could he lie about this and get away with it?), the waiver covers everyone:

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So what about Cooper's last-minute reprieve?

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It is one thing for a waiver & one thing to give additonal consent which is what happened with Cooper.  For all you know he could have said something more damaging to Miller & that is why he gave the added consent with Cooper & not Miller.  I'm not saying its the case, but at this point you just don't know.

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I seriously wondering if Joe Wilson might not have tipped someone off.

I wonder who talked to the NYT reporter.  Rove has repeatedly said anyoen he talked to does not need to protect him as a confidential source.  He has even signed documents releasing them from any confidentiality agreements.

So, who told the New York Times?

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This is important.

Rove

Fact: Rove has signed a release waiving confidentiality over the whole Plame affair.  Any reorter who spoke to him about it is free to talk to the judge, special investigator, other reporters or you without worrying about breaking a promise of confidentiality given to Karl Rove.

Fact: NYT reporter Judith Millier is still refusing to say who her source was due to a promise of confidentiality.

Conclusion:  Rove was not her source.

Fact: You never admit defeat

[J. J.]

I seriously wondering if Joe Wilson might not have tipped someone off.

I wonder who talked to the NYT reporter.  Rove has repeatedly said anyoen he talked to does not need to protect him as a confidential source.  He has even signed documents releasing them from any confidentiality agreements.

So, who told the New York Times?

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This is important.

Rove

Fact: Rove has signed a release waiving confidentiality over the whole Plame affair.  Any reorter who spoke to him about it is free to talk to the judge, special investigator, other reporters or you without worrying about breaking a promise of confidentiality given to Karl Rove.

Fact: NYT reporter Judith Millier is still refusing to say who her source was due to a promise of confidentiality.

Conclusion:  Rove was not her source.

Fact: You never admit defeat

Fact:  We don't take your word for it, or pretty much on anything. 

There was the release, so if Miller is protecting Rove, it's out of priniciple.

There is a problem with Cooper as well; the email was sent on the same day as the Novak colume appeared.

There are some problems with the prosecution. 

1.  Was Plame actually covered by the act?  If she wasn't covert agent outside of the US, anybody could have given the information.

2.  If so, was the information out prior to the e-mail?

3.  If she was a covert agent, did Rove know that she was?

4.  Was there intent on Rove's part to blow Plame's cover?

The only point that is clear is that Cooper's notes indicate that the purpose of Rove's comments were to indicate that neither Tennet nor Cheney sent Wilson to Niger.  It was basically, don't run with the story that Cheney/Tennet sent Wilson; it's not accurate.

Keep something else in mind; nobody "outed" Wilso until Wilson went public.

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I seriously wondering if Joe Wilson might not have tipped someone off.

I wonder who talked to the NYT reporter.  Rove has repeatedly said anyoen he talked to does not need to protect him as a confidential source.  He has even signed documents releasing them from any confidentiality agreements.

So, who told the New York Times?

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This is important.

Rove

Fact: Rove has signed a release waiving confidentiality over the whole Plame affair.  Any reorter who spoke to him about it is free to talk to the judge, special investigator, other reporters or you without worrying about breaking a promise of confidentiality given to Karl Rove.

Fact: NYT reporter Judith Millier is still refusing to say who her source was due to a promise of confidentiality.

Conclusion:  Rove was not her source.

Fact: You never admit defeat

If you ever defeat me, I will gladly admit it.

On that day I expect Satan to be ice skating to work.