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« on: November 21, 2016, 09:53:54 AM »


Alt-Right Exults in Donald Trump’s Election With a Salute: ‘Heil Victory’
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/alt-right-salutes-donald-trump.html

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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2016, 11:08:11 AM »

Anyone who watched the campaign knew that Trump was the candidate of the alt-right. He campaigned on their issues, and won election bashing Muslims and Latinos and kvetching (ha, pun intended) about trade.

Pro tip: if your candidate is supported by the KKK, reevaluate your life and political sympathies immediately. Like, if the KKK is holding a celebratory rally because you were elected, that is a strong indicator you should reevaluate immediately whether the candidate you backed is actually worth your support.
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2016, 11:31:33 AM »

Not to say God-Emperor Trump isn't racist. He isn't, personally. But the man is happy to partake in the traffic from the alt-right and marry it into his themes of anti-globalism.
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2016, 11:56:08 AM »

This is pretty similar to the 1920s with a lot if the same actors and under the same "Return to Normalcy" rhetoric.
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2016, 05:46:32 AM »

Here's also a video of the event, including "Hail Trump" and "Hail Victory" shouts and people raising their right arm for a Hitler salute:

https://www.facebook.com/TheAtlantic/videos/10154823525748487/

Keep in ming that with Steve Bannon one of these people has now an office within the White House. Historical irony that a Fourth Reich comes to be not in Germany, but in America.
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2016, 06:10:16 AM »

Here's also a video of the event, including "Hail Trump" and "Hail Victory" shouts and people raising their right arm for a Hitler salute:

https://www.facebook.com/TheAtlantic/videos/10154823525748487/

Keep in ming that with Steve Bannon one of these people has now an office within the White House. Historical irony that a Fourth Reich comes to be not in Germany, but in America.

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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2016, 06:14:18 AM »

We're now fighting the rise of Nazis. In 2016.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2016, 06:17:01 AM »

Here's also a video of the event, including "Hail Trump" and "Hail Victory" shouts and people raising their right arm for a Hitler salute:

https://www.facebook.com/TheAtlantic/videos/10154823525748487/

Keep in ming that with Steve Bannon one of these people has now an office within the White House. Historical irony that a Fourth Reich comes to be not in Germany, but in America.

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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2016, 06:43:53 AM »

Here's also a video of the event, including "Hail Trump" and "Hail Victory" shouts and people raising their right arm for a Hitler salute:

https://www.facebook.com/TheAtlantic/videos/10154823525748487/

Keep in ming that with Steve Bannon one of these people has now an office within the White House. Historical irony that a Fourth Reich comes to be not in Germany, but in America.

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Lies.
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2016, 07:21:49 AM »

Here's also a video of the event, including "Hail Trump" and "Hail Victory" shouts and people raising their right arm for a Hitler salute:

https://www.facebook.com/TheAtlantic/videos/10154823525748487/

Keep in ming that with Steve Bannon one of these people has now an office within the White House. Historical irony that a Fourth Reich comes to be not in Germany, but in America.

No.

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Lies.

That Steven Bannon is not a Nazi? Yup, that's a lie.
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2016, 07:25:06 AM »

These idiots are not alt-right. They are NAZIS. You cannot say alt-right=nazis. In Germany there is still Nazi party (National Democratic Party) but they have marginal influence. Connecting Trump (and Bannon) with that group in Washington last week is malicious and incorrect.
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2016, 07:26:20 AM »

Here's also a video of the event, including "Hail Trump" and "Hail Victory" shouts and people raising their right arm for a Hitler salute:

https://www.facebook.com/TheAtlantic/videos/10154823525748487/

Keep in ming that with Steve Bannon one of these people has now an office within the White House. Historical irony that a Fourth Reich comes to be not in Germany, but in America.

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Lies.

That Steven Bannon is not a Nazi? Yup, that's a lie.

Just because the media has slandered him as a Nazi does not make him so. Just like calling Bernie a Communist does not make him one.
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2016, 07:32:37 AM »

We're now fighting the rise of Nazis. In 2016.

If we don't stop them, the Chinese will.
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2016, 07:52:20 AM »

Here's also a video of the event, including "Hail Trump" and "Hail Victory" shouts and people raising their right arm for a Hitler salute:

https://www.facebook.com/TheAtlantic/videos/10154823525748487/

Keep in ming that with Steve Bannon one of these people has now an office within the White House. Historical irony that a Fourth Reich comes to be not in Germany, but in America.

No.

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Lies.

That Steven Bannon is not a Nazi? Yup, that's a lie.

Just because the media has slandered him as a Nazi does not make him so. Just like calling Bernie a Communist does not make him one.

The media ist just doing their media. You're slandering the media, however.
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2016, 07:54:20 AM »

These idiots are not alt-right. They are NAZIS. You cannot say alt-right=nazis. In Germany there is still Nazi party (National Democratic Party) but they have marginal influence. Connecting Trump (and Bannon) with that group in Washington last week is malicious and incorrect.

"alt-right" is the politically correct term, you see
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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2016, 07:54:37 AM »

We're now fighting the rise of Nazis. In 2016.
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2016, 08:10:30 AM »

Just because the media has slandered him as a Nazi does not make him so. Just like calling Bernie a Communist does not make him one.

for that comparison to make any sense, there would be the need for....

1) a lively communist or even stalinist youth scene inside the US.....

2) creating their own online universe on popular places like 4chan and spreading their thoughts successfully

3) becoming more influential through co-opting an existing high-traffic website, which gets even bigger and more influential through doubling down on the stalinist thingie.

4) that website would be run by Bernie Sanders who fostered those stalinists and made way for ideologial more pure people than himself.


i am not saying that Bannon is a Nazi - i am saying he is not too much disturbed by parts of the Nazi agenda and has no problems at all making big bucks with Nazis and creating a safe space for them.
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2016, 09:13:05 AM »

Here's also a video of the event, including "Hail Trump" and "Hail Victory" shouts and people raising their right arm for a Hitler salute:

https://www.facebook.com/TheAtlantic/videos/10154823525748487/

Keep in ming that with Steve Bannon one of these people has now an office within the White House. Historical irony that a Fourth Reich comes to be not in Germany, but in America.

No.
You're dense, aren't you?
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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2016, 09:19:50 AM »

Here's also a video of the event, including "Hail Trump" and "Hail Victory" shouts and people raising their right arm for a Hitler salute:

https://www.facebook.com/TheAtlantic/videos/10154823525748487/

Keep in ming that with Steve Bannon one of these people has now an office within the White House. Historical irony that a Fourth Reich comes to be not in Germany, but in America.

No.
You're dense, aren't you?

No. To be honest, the idea that Bannon is an actual Nazi is so ludicrous it doesn't even deserve a comment at all, actually.
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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2016, 09:30:36 AM »

No. To be honest, the idea that Bannon is an actual Nazi is so ludicrous it doesn't even deserve a comment at all, actually.

i feel like apologizing to you now, that i didn't realize your troll-y intentions before election day.
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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2016, 09:45:32 AM »

No. To be honest, the idea that Bannon is an actual Nazi is so ludicrous it doesn't even deserve a comment at all, actually.

i feel like apologizing to you now, that i didn't realize your troll-y intentions before election day.

Please translate, I have no idea what nonsense you're spewing.
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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2016, 10:56:38 AM »

The Bernie Sanders being a Communist accusation is actually a very good comparison.

People are pretty much saying. Bannon calls himself alt-right. White nationalists call themselves alt right. Therefore Bannon is a White nationalist.

It's just like saying, Bernie is a socialist. Stalin called himself a socialist. Therefore, Bernie is a Stalinist.

Clearly, Bernie and Stalin have different definitions of socialism and Bannon and the White nationalists have different definitions of the alt right.
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« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2016, 11:06:25 AM »

The Bernie Sanders being a Communist accusation is actually a very good comparison.

People are pretty much saying. Bannon calls himself alt-right. White nationalists call themselves alt right. Therefore Bannon is a White nationalist.

It's just like saying, Bernie is a socialist. Stalin called himself a socialist. Therefore, Bernie is a Stalinist.

Clearly, Bernie and Stalin have different definitions of socialism and Bannon and the White nationalists have different definitions of the alt right.


The fact that you are having to defend him by saying not all socialists are communists though on its face is a reasonable argument, has really moved the goal posts when it was that anyone who was a socialist was unacceptable in the last cycle.
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« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2016, 11:10:09 AM »

in fact bernie should have called himself a social democrat.

still a far-left position in the US without the communist smell.
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« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2016, 11:23:55 AM »

The Bernie Sanders being a Communist accusation is actually a very good comparison.

People are pretty much saying. Bannon calls himself alt-right. White nationalists call themselves alt right. Therefore Bannon is a White nationalist.

It's just like saying, Bernie is a socialist. Stalin called himself a socialist. Therefore, Bernie is a Stalinist.

Clearly, Bernie and Stalin have different definitions of socialism and Bannon and the White nationalists have different definitions of the alt right.


except alt-right isn't just an umbrella term that happens to include white nationalists, it's literally synonymous with white nationalists
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