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Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook
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« on: November 22, 2016, 02:53:49 AM »
« edited: November 22, 2016, 03:08:46 AM by Squidward Scissorhands »

Who on this list is most responsible for Clinton's loss?
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2016, 04:07:10 AM »

Comey comes second as he hurt her with his letter but if she hadn't made the (at best) stupid decision to set up a private email server it wouldn't have been an issue nor if she had been a candidate who the public could trust and not the living embodiment of the hated Washington establishment. It's her own fault.
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2016, 05:16:16 AM »

Well, since she wins without his unprecedented, uncalled-for, and obviously-political ninth-inning entrance, James Comey.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2016, 05:43:16 AM »

Well, since she wins without his unprecedented, uncalled-for, and obviously-political ninth-inning entrance, James Comey.

Unprecedented?  Uncalled for?

Unprecedented, yes, but unprecedented because no candidate under FBI investigation at the level Clinton was has ever had the chutzpah  to run for President with the decks being cleared for them by terminal idiots like Debbie Wasserman Schultz.  No FBI Director has ever had to deal with such a situation.

I'll say this:  If Donald Trump were being investigated by the FBI for something he could be indicted for, at the level Clinton was being investigated, and shortly before the election, there was a discovery that reflected that information on another device that was subpoenaed was not turned over to the FBI, and Comey DIDN'T announce this, you'd be whining (from the protection of your safety zone, of course) about "the public's right to know".  And you'd have a point; what would the American public have done if they could have known the content of Nixon's tapes on, say, Halloween, 1972?

James Comey did not want to go down in history as the FBI Director who kept from the American Public information relevant to an electoral choice.  And I don't see where his announcements affected the result.  Hillary did not lose PA, WI, or MI because of anything Comey said or did; she lost them because she displayed contempt for their working class voters, calling them deplorable.  And these folks not only heard Hillary's words, they heard the cries of folks like yourself piling on (from the security of safe zones, of course).  The middle finger they gave was for Hillary, and it was also for her supporters who openly showed contempt for Trump's supporters (as Hillary, herself, displayed with enthusiasm).  It takes a special kind of stupid to vote for a candidate who shares their supporters' loathing of you and folks like you. 
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2016, 05:47:19 AM »

Well, since she wins without his unprecedented, uncalled-for, and obviously-political ninth-inning entrance, James Comey.

Unprecedented?  Uncalled for?

Unprecedented, yes, but unprecedented because no candidate under FBI investigation at the level Clinton was has ever had the chutzpah  to run for President with the decks being cleared for them by terminal idiots like Debbie Wasserman Schultz.  No FBI Director has ever had to deal with such a situation.

I'll say this:  If Donald Trump were being investigated by the FBI for something he could be indicted for, at the level Clinton was being investigated, and shortly before the election, there was a discovery that reflected that information on another device that was subpoenaed was not turned over to the FBI, and Comey DIDN'T announce this, you'd be whining (from the protection of your safety zone, of course) about "the public's right to know".  And you'd have a point; what would the American public have done if they could have known the content of Nixon's tapes on, say, Halloween, 1972?

James Comey did not want to go down in history as the FBI Director who kept from the American Public information relevant to an electoral choice.  And I don't see where his announcements affected the result.  Hillary did not lose PA, WI, or MI because of anything Comey said or did; she lost them because she displayed contempt for their working class voters, calling them deplorable.  And these folks not only heard Hillary's words, they heard the cries of folks like yourself piling on (from the security of safe zones, of course).  The middle finger they gave was for Hillary, and it was also for her supporters who openly showed contempt for Trump's supporters (as Hillary, herself, displayed with enthusiasm).  It takes a special kind of stupid to vote for a candidate who shares their supporters' loathing of you and folks like you. 

Instead he will go down in history as the man who help give the United States a Fascist as president. 
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2016, 07:09:49 AM »
« Edited: November 23, 2016, 06:28:46 AM by Meclazine »

Donald Trumps' supporters.

I dont think this election was really about Hillary Clinton.

You have to give immense credit to the millions of Donald Trump supporters who stood by him as he faced the wrath of:

(1) the media
(2) his historical business dealings
(3) the grabbed pussies
(4) the bad hombres
(5) the republican party
(6) the university students
(7) ice spear
( 8 ) the pollsters
(9) illinois
(10) alec baldwin

The list is endless.






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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2016, 07:26:51 AM »

tila tequila, obviously
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2016, 03:14:48 PM »

Surprised at no votes for Gary Johnson or Bill Clinton, but one vote for Bernie Sanders.
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2016, 03:24:29 PM »

James Comey. He used his office and official title, which most Americans had an almost religious respect for, and put his thumb on the presidential election 11 days before the event. The precipitating discovery of his action had no relevance to the investigation. This was entirely bureaucrats within the machinery of the taxpayer funded US government deciding that it was unacceptable for Hillary Clinton to coast to victory.
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2016, 03:36:57 PM »

Other: the disgusting media outlets who gave Trump all that free exposure (which made billions of dollars for said media outlets, naturally) and who utterly failed to hold Trump accountable for his criminality (i.e. the endless amounts of corruption, fraud, and sexual assaults that had been meticulously documented and corroborated thanks to the efforts of a handful of actual journalists) to nearly the same extent that they harped on and on about Clinton's "damn emails."
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2016, 03:53:40 PM »

While Comey tipped the scales, it is her own hubris that made something that minute the tipping point in the first place.

@Obamanation: Johnson had nothing to do with it, and if Bill is to blame for anything, it is his seeming lack of presence in the campaign besides the DNC speech.
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2016, 03:55:40 PM »

The people. We're responsible for everything in the end.
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2016, 06:07:39 PM »

The founding fathers. In their attempts to protect the country from demagogues, they have doomed us to have one.
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2016, 06:16:08 PM »

In part Obama, and part herself. She should not have campaigned on the status quo or pandered to the "Obama Coalition".
obama's approval ratings are (and were) actually very solid, so…?
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2016, 06:17:05 PM »

Herself (sane). Rachel Maddow says if you add third party numbers Clinton wins tho... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2016, 06:26:04 PM »

In part Obama, and part herself. She should not have campaigned on the status quo or pandered to the "Obama Coalition".
obama's approval ratings are (and were) actually very solid, so…?

Only in the final months of his presidency. A year or so ago they were in the low 40's (even in the 30's!).

Also, 70% of the population believes the nation is on the wrong course, and over 60% believe Obama's policies should not be continued (according to exit polling).

Anyone who embraced the status quo in 2016, was doomed to failure (attaching themselves to a sinking ship). The only way a status-quo Democrat could win was through fear. Once a government is reduced to fearmongering to avoid defeat, their time is up.

Hello 1988 and Willie Horton.
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2016, 07:57:02 PM »

In part Obama, and part herself. She should not have campaigned on the status quo or pandered to the "Obama Coalition".
obama's approval ratings are (and were) actually very solid, so…?
Yeah, but his skin color fueled the GOP and helped them get their base to turn out in droves.
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2016, 09:52:48 PM »

While Comey tipped the scales, it is her own hubris that made something that minute the tipping point in the first place.
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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2016, 06:12:48 AM »

In part Obama, and part herself. She should not have campaigned on the status quo or pandered to the "Obama Coalition".
obama's approval ratings are (and were) actually very solid, so…?

Only in the final months of his presidency.
i.e. during the election
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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2016, 12:12:41 PM »

The people. We're responsible for everything in the end.

Strongly agree with this.  There are many, many contributors to this loss, but we are #1 and Hillary Clinton is #2.
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« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2016, 12:35:22 PM »

Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and Hillary Clinton.
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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2016, 06:33:55 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2016, 11:31:02 PM »
« Edited: November 23, 2016, 11:34:17 PM by P123 »

Most obvious answers: sh**tty campaign, not targeting the Midwest, underestimating how much % of the electorate is White (especially working class...), and total PC BS (which is why many minorities like me voted TRUMP).

But really, Trump was destined to win this thing. In an anti-establishment year after eight years of Democratic rule....running against Hillary ing Clinton. I'm surprised she did as well as this TBH.

I have no clue how this is shocking.
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