Clinton electors lobbying for EC protest votes? *UPDATE* 29 electors want intel briefing

[SirMuxALot]

So, the Russians hacked the DNC and the RNC. They only aired the DNC's dirty laundry.

You expressed a terminological inexactitude.  RNC was not hacked.  Per FBI via RNC Chairman.

Where are you getting this fake news that the RNC was hacked?

[ApatheticAustrian]

So, the Russians hacked the DNC and the RNC. They only aired the DNC's dirty laundry.

You expressed a terminological inexactitude.  RNC was not hacked.  Per FBI via RNC Chairman.

Where are you getting this fake news that the RNC was hacked?

why should anyone believe anything from the known professional liars in team trump?

they have proven again and again they don't even try to be honest and waltz through with any narrative through baffling their opponents.

[Axel Foley]

Soooo....who will be next US president? Are there some bookmakers who collect bets on Trump refused by Electoral College? I can bet on it up to 200 euros, if it does worth...

[Mr. Morden]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/donald-trump-electors-lessig-232598

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[jman123]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/donald-trump-electors-lessig-232598

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Are we looking at massive GOP electoral college defections for Trump?

[Helsinkian]

RNC says that the one elector in Texas is the only faithless elector they're aware of. So are 19 GOP electors just lying to the RNC?

Will we actually know the results of the EC vote on Monday or do we have to wait until January? Supposedly there isn't anything to stop the electors from telling people how they voted even before the votes are officially opened in Congress?

[136or142]

Electoral College Petition

http://lettertoelectors.org/#gs.vVTx8KA

https://electoralcollegepetition.com/#gs.LW860xM

The 2016 Presidential Election ends on December 19.
On December 19, the Electors of the Electoral College will cast their ballots.

We are calling on the Electors to vote their conscience and cast their ballots for Secretary Clinton.

Mr. Trump is unfit to serve. He is a danger to the Republic, who threatens the stability and safety of our country with his impulsivity, bullying, lying, admitted history of sexual assault, and utter lack of experience.

Secretary Clinton won the popular vote. The only reason Trump “won” is because of the Electoral College. But the Constitution says the Electors can actually vote for who they feel is the best candidate.

Why not use the most undemocratic of our institutions to ensure a democratic result?

[emailking]

RNC says that the one elector in Texas is the only faithless elector they're aware of. So are 19 GOP electors just lying to the RNC?

Will we actually know the results of the EC vote on Monday or do we have to wait until January? Supposedly there isn't anything to stop the electors from telling people how they voted even before the votes are officially opened in Congress?

We'll know on Monday. Some states have a secret ballot for their electors, but the results will be reported immediately. Congress counting the votes is basically just a rubber stamp on the results. (Conceivably, if some votes' legitimacy were in doubt, Congress could decide not to count those.)

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

All Russian hacking talk is strictly non-election rigging stuff right? As in they selectively hacked and leaked info, but didn't engage in actual vote manipulation to directly affect the outcome.

This is a key point.  Actual vote-count affecting hacking is worthy of thorough investigations.  Luckily we've seen no evidence of that so far.

Russians throwing their voice into the cacophonous noise of an election...meh, so what?  Is there something inherently threatening about Russian fake news than say, John Harwood's fake news?

But all of this talk has a sub-text of elitism that is so typical of the left.  "Voters are too stupid and easily swayed by Russian propaganda...therefore we must discredit or possibly overturn the election, because we're smart and the sheeple are dumb."  Well, remember the videos circulating of the Obama voters who thought dumb things (he's gonna pay my rent...from his 'stash')?  Did even one Republican suggest we need to get information to the electoral college about how so many Obama voters got misinformed in '08?

This whole line of thinking is poisonous.  Democrat projection ("Republicans won't accept legitimate election results!  Horrors!") all over again.

So, the Russians hacked the DNC and the RNC. They only aired the DNC's dirty laundry. Trump is going to nominate Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State.

You're saying all of this doesn't bother you, am I getting that right?

So they aired the DNC's dirty laundry that was in October and Dems didn't seem to care then. Why care now? Because  they lost the election that's why.

I am not for the Tillerson nomination but Trump is the President-Elect he can nominate who he wants for Secretary Of State.

And when he nominates someone who appears to be likely biased in favor of the Russians, he should be judged accordingly: as a probable tool (witless or not) of the Kremlin.

[The Other Castro]

54 Democratic electors, and 1 Republican elector are now calling for an intel briefing before Monday's vote.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/electoral-college-democrats-intelligence-232612?cmpid=sf

[RI]

54 Democratic electors, and 1 Republican elector are now calling for an intel briefing before Monday's vote.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/electoral-college-democrats-intelligence-232612?cmpid=sf

Unless GOP electors do the same, this doesn't matter in the slightest.

[Pandaguineapig]

I hope the one republican elector is enjoying his 15 minutes of fame

[Pragmatic Conservative]

Colorado judge rules that faithless electors in the state could face criminal prosecution and be disqualified and replaced as an elector. So I guess we won't have any non Clinton votes in Colorado.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/12/13/denver-judge-orders-faithless-colorado-electors-vote-clinton/

[Pragmatic Conservative]

Here is a list at what time each state votes on Monday and whether faithless electors are allowed.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/electoral-college-voting-unfold-monday-102405396.html?client=safari

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Colorado judge rules that faithless electors in the state could face criminal prosecution and be disqualified and replaced as an elector. So I guess we won't have any non Clinton votes in Colorado.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/12/13/denver-judge-orders-faithless-colorado-electors-vote-clinton/

Wonderful news!

[Tender Branson]

Interesting link.

It seems that faithless electors are allowed mostly in states won by Trump.

Still, I don't see how more than 10 or 20 of his electors will go rogue ...

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

All Russian hacking talk is strictly non-election rigging stuff right? As in they selectively hacked and leaked info, but didn't engage in actual vote manipulation to directly affect the outcome.

This is a key point.  Actual vote-count affecting hacking is worthy of thorough investigations.  Luckily we've seen no evidence of that so far.

Russians throwing their voice into the cacophonous noise of an election...meh, so what?  Is there something inherently threatening about Russian fake news than say, John Harwood's fake news?

But all of this talk has a sub-text of elitism that is so typical of the left.  "Voters are too stupid and easily swayed by Russian propaganda...therefore we must discredit or possibly overturn the election, because we're smart and the sheeple are dumb."  Well, remember the videos circulating of the Obama voters who thought dumb things (he's gonna pay my rent...from his 'stash')?  Did even one Republican suggest we need to get information to the electoral college about how so many Obama voters got misinformed in '08?

This whole line of thinking is poisonous.  Democrat projection ("Republicans won't accept legitimate election results!  Horrors!") all over again.

So, the Russians hacked the DNC and the RNC. They only aired the DNC's dirty laundry. Trump is going to nominate Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State.

You're saying all of this doesn't bother you, am I getting that right?

So they aired the DNC's dirty laundry that was in October and Dems didn't seem to care then. Why care now? Because  they lost the election that's why.

I am not for the Tillerson nomination but Trump is the President-Elect he can nominate who he wants for Secretary Of State.

the heck're you talking about? people were way angry about this back when it happened

[Mr. Morden]

Here is a list at what time each state votes on Monday and whether faithless electors are allowed.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/electoral-college-voting-unfold-monday-102405396.html?client=safari

Ftr, I'll start an "electoral college vote live commentary thread" on Sunday night, so we can track the results on Monday.

[SteveRogers]

Colorado judge rules that faithless electors in the state could face criminal prosecution and be disqualified and replaced as an elector. So I guess we won't have any non Clinton votes in Colorado.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/12/13/denver-judge-orders-faithless-colorado-electors-vote-clinton/

Wonderful news!

The Colorado electors involved in that suit sound pretty determined. My guess is this ruling will be far from the last word on this.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Colorado judge rules that faithless electors in the state could face criminal prosecution and be disqualified and replaced as an elector. So I guess we won't have any non Clinton votes in Colorado.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/12/13/denver-judge-orders-faithless-colorado-electors-vote-clinton/

Which literally defeats the entire purpose of the electoral college...

[SteveRogers]

At least it looks like we're going to get some faithless elector laws tested in court after this. I wonder if a SCOTUS ruling striking down penalties for faithless electors would create any momentum for abolishing the electoral college.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Colorado judge rules that faithless electors in the state could face criminal prosecution and be disqualified and replaced as an elector. So I guess we won't have any non Clinton votes in Colorado.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/12/13/denver-judge-orders-faithless-colorado-electors-vote-clinton/

Wonderful news!

The Colorado electors involved in that suit sound pretty determined. My guess is this ruling will be far from the last word on this.

Look like the message "stay determined" has been placed in the minds of the wrong group of people.